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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:58 AM   #16
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

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In my quickie with the F55, camera was equipped with viewfinder, top handle, Olivine battery and 85mm Sony prime (old lens). Definitely heavier than my F3. I have an old Sachtler 15 and I am certain that Sachtler can handle the weight.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 05:15 PM   #17
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Heavier than a rigged up F3 Ned (i.e. cheeseplate, shoulder pad, recorder, evf etc.)? In many ways, I think it's less the weight of a rigged up F3 that's the problem, just the awkward distribution of that weight (and the form factor necessitated by sticking so many components on top of each other).
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 05:57 AM   #18
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My rigged up F3 with Zacuto viewfinder, Pix240, Zacuto baseplate with rods and a Zacuto cheeseplate hanging off the back with Anton Bauer battery combined with the awkward ergonomics of the F3 makes for one unwieldy rig.

The F5/55 may be heavier owing to the construction of the camera but the ergonomics and layout are so much better. A big thing is the ability to hang a real battery on the back.

I am very happy with the feel of the NewF even rigged up.

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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:31 PM   #19
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:29 AM   #20
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

Like I said, you can throw as much stuff as you like on either camera. Many, many people don't use bulky rigs with their cameras nor do they use V-Locks and other bulkier batteries. I very often don't. I often use my F3 naked, or with just a Samurai/Gemini on a ball mount off the handle, both camera and recorder powered by a Swit BP-U style battery. Like this it is very portable, can be used handheld, with a mono-pod or with a small tripod.

The F5/F55 is much better ergonomically for shoulder mount applications, that's what it is designed for and Sony have done a good job. But you can't use an F5/F55 handy-cam style as you can the F3, you would need to add some form of hand grip and hand holding a heavier V-Lock powered camera would be tough.

I am not complaining about or criticising the F5/F55's ergonomics in any way, just pointing out that it is a very different proposition to an F3.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 01:12 AM   #21
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

European prices for the F5 and F55 have now been released.


PMW-F5
S35mm CineAlta Camera - HD
15.340 Euro

PMW-F55
S35mm CineAlta Camera - 4K
27.804 Euro

AXS-R5
S35mm F-series External RAW Recorder
5.206 Euro

AXS-CR1
Access Card Reader
549 Euro

AXS-512S24
Access Card 512GB for AXS-R5 External Recorder
1.535 Euro

SCL-PK6/F
CineAlta PL Lens Pack (6 lenses)
19.895 Euro

SCL-PK3/F
CineAlta PL Lens Pack (3 lenses)
11.118 Euro

DVF-L700
7" LCD Viewfinder for F-series
4.113 Euro

DVF-L350
3.5" LCD Viewfinder for F-series
2.925 Euro

DVF-EL100
0.7" OLED Viewfinder for F-series
4.113 Euro

BP-FL75
Olivine Battery for F-series
470 Euro

BP-L90
Olivine Battery Charger for F-series
766 Euro
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Old November 28th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #22
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

Street price seems even better in the UK - Sony PMW-F5 (PMWF5) Super 35mm Full HD 4K CMOS Sensor Compact CineAlta Camcorder - Records HD/2K on SxS memory plus 16-bit RAW 2K/4K output

10,295 (excl VAT) for an F5 body, which I suspect is a bit less than many were expecting?
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Old November 28th, 2012, 06:44 AM   #23
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

It's not unusual to see a 20% discount over the list price, so CVP's price is about right based on the list prices. It is a little less than I was expecting so a complete kit, F5, L350, R5 will come in at about 16k.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #24
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Wow.. I may be pretty close on my guess in $$. Interesting.
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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #25
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Usa official pricing

From Sony:

The suggested U.S. LIST pricing for the new products, planned to be available in February, are:

• PMW-F5 CineAlta 4K Camera $19,400
• PMW-F55 CineAlta 4K Camera $34,900
• AXR-R5 RAW Recorder $6,300
• AXS-512S24 512Gb Memory Card $2,100
• AXS-CR1 card reader $660.00
• DVF -EL100 OLED Viewfinder $5,800
• DVF-F350 3.5” LCD Viewfinder $3,800
• DVF-L700 LCD viewfinder $5,000
• SCL-PK6/F PL mount six lens package $24,600
• SCL-PK3/F PL mount three lens package $13,600

Source: PRICING - Sony Community
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Old November 28th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #26
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

As I've said on the other board as well as in an article being published Thurs AM, I think this pricing represents excellent value for features offered.

I'm just disappointed that I didn't get the release earlier as promised because I wanted to break the story ;(

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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #27
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

Wait a minute, one price is missing here, uncompressed 4K SONY RAW output via 4 x SDI port.

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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:50 AM   #28
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

With the f-65 sony offered a few bundled discount options, has anyone hear about them doing that with the f55?
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Old November 29th, 2012, 12:46 PM   #29
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Nothing yet on bundles. But the pricing has only been released within the last 12 hours of this posting.

Hopefully we will get some clarity over the next few weeks.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #30
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Re: Sony F5/F55 Pricing

A thought which has just occurred to me, is that with the F5 we could for the first time see a large format camera which could take substantial market share from 2/3" broadcast cameras. I'd expect a bundle with viewfnder to end up around 12,000 ex VAT - which is substantially below the current price of such as a PMW500, the latter without viewfinder.

The 18-252 Sony servo zoom is about 6,500, and that's equivalent to about 6.5mm-85mm in 2/3" terms, a pretty useful range. Yes, that lens has a maximum aperture of f3.8, but the larger sensor should give far higher sensitivity than a 3 chip 2/3" with comparable technology - I'd expect about two stops more. Hence f3.8 on such a lens should give performance roughly equivalent to around f1.8 on a 2/3" camera.

So for less than 20,000 you could have a complete body/vf/lens package with comparable performance, ergonomics etc to a pro 2/3" camera, and with the 50Mbs full broadcast codec. But additionally, prime lenses could be rented when justified to take advantage of the large sensor. To say nothing of the future possibilities of recording 4k with the extra recorder.
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