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Old March 26th, 2011, 12:54 PM   #31
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"Interested in whether Ninja comes out with an SDI version at NAB. Any word on this?"

The Atomos Samurai comes out in July / August - essentially a Ninja with SDI In. I'm not sold on Prores though, and I believe the Ninja has problems accepting progressive frame rates or something???
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Old March 26th, 2011, 01:08 PM   #32
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When I tried this at 50i all I got is single link 50i out of SDi 1 as well as the SDi monitor out. Nothing on SDi 2
My results also. KiPro mini reads 29.97, no dual link apparent.
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Old March 26th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #33
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I'm not sold on Prores though,
you might be if you ever shot on an Alexa. Alexa picture quality, even just as it's lowest denominator (Rec709/ProRes HQ) is the bees knees for color correction and processing.

I even like it better than Redcode, and I know a A-list colorist here in Los Angeles who based on his comments i think would say the same. It's REALLY flexible material.
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Old March 26th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #34
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Nate, Also love the Alexa's knee and am trying to tweak the F3's gamma to come close. Trying some of Alister's suggestion, but noticed 4:2:0's weakness when grading a skin texture test yesterday - saw a very slight flickering amongst uneven coloration within a face. Have you ever seen this 'flickering' on F3 footage through DaVinci? Do you think recording 4:2:2 on Nano will rid it?

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Old March 27th, 2011, 04:50 PM   #35
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Nate, Also love the Alexa's knee and am trying to tweak the F3's gamma to come close. Trying some of Alister's suggestion, but noticed 4:2:0's weakness when grading a skin texture test yesterday - saw a very slight flickering amongst uneven coloration within a face. Have you ever seen this 'flickering' on F3 footage through DaVinci? Do you think recording 4:2:2 on Nano will rid it?
Never seen anything like you describe. I saw your other post about transcoding the native files in After Effects, and after hearing that, I have to suspect something went wonky in your conversion.

Flickering skin tones would never be a side effect of 4:2:0. 4:2:0 causes blockiness (aliasing) on the edges of saturated color, and you usually need to blow up the video to see it. So I have no idea what you're seeing.
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Old March 27th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #36
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Thanks for clarifying 4:2:0 . The flickering I noticed was a very slight color fringing on an ECU of a face, and the post house I'm working with have imported XDCAM browser so conversion shouldn't be the problem. BTW, do you like the Nucoda FilmMaster for grading vs. DaVinci?
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Thanks for clarifying 4:2:0 . The flickering I noticed was a very slight color fringing on an ECU of a face, and the post house I'm working with have imported XDCAM browser so conversion shouldn't be the problem. BTW, do you like the Nucoda FilmMaster for grading vs. DaVinci?
I think you'd have to post a still or a movie, because you say both flickering AND fringing, and I can't really tell what you're talking about.

My color correction experience goes from Apple Color to Davinci, with a little bit of Scratch along the way, so I can't comment on FilmMaster other than I know it's well regarded, if a little rare.
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Also note that there is no TC on the dual link SDI out when operating in this mode.
There most certainly is timecode on Dual-Link A. It triggers my Nano perfectly.
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There most certainly is timecode on Dual-Link A. It triggers my Nano perfectly.
You have timecode when outputting 60fps on dual link? The nano can't record 60fps 1080p so I'm not sure what your camera is set to.
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I didn't say I was RECORDING dual link. I said that my F3 outputs SDI with embedded timecode on connector A when it is configured for Dual Link. I can record "singe" link from connector A and it has timecode.
Dual-link does have timecode and it is easy to detect even without having a dual-link recorder.
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