Vinten Vision 3 head - Page 2 at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > Support Your Local Camera > Tripod Sticks & Heads


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old February 9th, 2007, 02:05 PM   #16
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 439
FINALLY I picked up a Vision 3 and Miller Solo legs for myself. For those looking at this combo, here are my notes:

First, congrats. Both pieces are beyond compare in this price range.

Second, I got a Petrol PTB-1 bag, which seems like it was built for this combo, and it's one of the cheapest options in terms of padded bags. Very nice quality.

Third, between the carbon and aluminum legs, I personally found the AL legs to be stiffer. Yes, I added about a pound to my kit, but whatever. They ended up a couple hundred dollars less and with a long lens, they look stiffer. I'll try to keep them dry.

Fourth, about the head - it's fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. The only thing you gain by moving to a higher-priced head is more convenience and more weight capacity. But 22lbs is a LOT of weight. A loaded Varicam is close to 19. I'm a freelancer, and after being handed 3 sets of sticks in a row, all non-working... I got pissed and bought this combo for myself. So whether I'm on a DVX (this evening) or Varicam, I can have a perfect setup. Now that said, with larger cameras, I find that production usually has the budget to get good sticks, so it's a toss up. But for the majority of small dv/hdv/hd stuff, the Vision 3 is probably the only head I'll ever need. And even using Sachtler 18's and 25's... I have no envy. Love the Vinten!
Jaron Berman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 9th, 2007, 08:27 PM   #17
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 649
Welcome to the Vinten family Jaron. :~)

I think you'll be very happy with the Vinten.

I've been getting Ronford legs for my Jib and I now have a set of baby legs and regular legs, O'Connor mounts. I also have a 150mm ball regular legs. I love ebay. Now I just need to drop $5000 for a decent head. Though I may inload the 150mm bowl legs.
__________________
Mark Sasahara
Director of Photography
Mark Sasahara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21st, 2007, 11:27 PM   #18
Tourist
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 4
spring confusion

I recently purchased a vision 3 head (and miller legs) for my new XH-A1 (2.3 kg with battery). Looking at Vinten's site, they recommend spring #2 for both the GL2 and the XL-H1 (and don't list the XH-A1). According to canon's site, the GL2 weighs 1.25 kg without battery. The XL-H1 weighs 3.75 kg with lens and battery. I'm confused why the GL2 doesn't call for a #1 and why the XL-H1 doesn't call for a #4. I followed their advice (I thought) and bought a #2 for my XH-A1 and it springs back up when you try to tilt it... springs with quite a bit of enthusiasm actually.

Please tell me I am missing something here... or is Vinten's info screwed up? I'm thinking I need to go back and order a #1 now. Silly me, I also bought a #3 when I got the #2 because I thought I might be pushing 3 kg when I loaded more gear on the camera and they rate their springs "up to" (spring #) kg. Maybe that was Vinten's strategy all along... to sell more $40 springs?

Thanks
John Cox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:04 AM   #19
Wrangler
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,093
I purchased a Vision 3 a little over a year ago (with which I'm very happy) and when the setup I wanted was on back order due to a manufacturing issue, the retailer (a DVinfo sponsor, of course) referred me directly to Vinten. They bent over backwards to help me out, even sending a loaner by FedEx until they could fill my order. I suspect it is more a matter of just not updating the info on their web site than a plot to sell more springs. They were obviously very concerned about customer service!

So that said, I'm a little disappointed to hear that they've not gotten around to updating their spring info. During the time I had their loaner, I had direct personal phone and email contact with a Vinten rep who happily sent me various springs (2, 3, 4) to try with the then brand-new XL H1. While I was at it I tested the XL2 as well, and reported my findings back to them by email. Too bad that info didn't make it to their web site.

Anyway, to the point. For stock cameras, the XL H1 should use the #4 spring. Of course, if you have attached other gear to your camera, you'll have to adjust accordingly. At minimum tilt tension, for me this only causes subtle drift back toward level if the camera is tilted more than about +/- 20 degrees. Not at all noticeable in normal use -- and I know I can turn away without the camera unceremoniously drooping down or pointing skyward! If I remember correctly, the stock XL2 would use a #3 spring. I haven't tried the XH-A1 on that tripod; guess I should do that.

If a vendor sold you an incorrect spring based on erroneous information, they should be willing to exchange it for the correct spring.
__________________
Pete Bauer
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein
Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!
Pete Bauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2007, 12:10 PM   #20
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NYC
Posts: 649
Center of gravity (COG) plays a part in which spring you use. If your camera is low and has a low COG, then it may not need as strong a spring as you think.

With the drag set at zero, try the springs you have. Slide the tripod plate back and forth and see if that alleviates the problem. If not, then you may need the #1 spring. Be sure to lock the plate down when tillting.
__________________
Mark Sasahara
Director of Photography
Mark Sasahara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2007, 05:16 PM   #21
Tourist
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 4
Raising the center of gravity certainly seems to make a big difference. My TA-100 adapter plate came today and with that added height and additional 1lb of weight I am able to balance the camera to stay put at any angle using the #2 spring and no drag.

Now the only problem I'm running into is the smoothness of the head when tilting. There is a definite sticky spot when tilting the lens down. It happens on the way down and back up at approximately 45 degrees. It is most noticable with no drag, and gets less noticable the more drag I add.

Can anyone tell me if this is:
1. a known behavior of the vision 3
2. a defect
3. me doing something wrong

Thanks again.
John Cox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 22nd, 2007, 07:30 PM   #22
Wrangler
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,093
Nope, no sticky spots. If that's the case, I'd recommend having them check it out.
__________________
Pete Bauer
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein
Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!
Pete Bauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 25th, 2007, 10:26 PM   #23
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5
Vision 3 Head

I am looking at the Vision 3 head and Miller Solo sticks and I am wondering is their anyone using this setup with the HVX 200? If so, which springs are you using? For now, I will only have the weight of my camera, battery, camera light, wireless receiver.

Thanks, Jimmy
Jimmy Alioto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 5th, 2007, 03:07 PM   #24
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 993
So for the Canon XL-H1, would I need a #3 or #4 spring? Vinten itself recommends a #2 spring but I cannot imagine that this will work. The camera weighs 3.75kg and I have a TA-100 tripod plate (not sure how much it weighs). But if the camera springs up with a #4, it means I need a #3 probably. But I cannot imagine it will work with a #2 (judging their own specificatons).
Floris van Eck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 5th, 2007, 03:15 PM   #25
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 993
With which legs is everyone using the Vinten Vision 3 head? How good are the Vinten pozi-loc 75mm legs supplied in the kits? I am thinking about a Miller/Gitzo 3-stage carbon fiber tripod (Gitzo 3540XLS or Miller 1505) as they can go anywhere from 200cm to 10cm in every imaginable situation. This is not possible with regular video tripods and for documentary (which I plan to do most) and wildlife/nature I think that is the way to go.
Floris van Eck is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > The Tools of DV and HD Production > Support Your Local Camera > Tripod Sticks & Heads

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:54 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network