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Old March 10th, 2008, 12:45 AM   #1
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Dell E248WFP 24inch LCD QUestion

I did a search on the forum and nothing came up under this specific monitor.
Anyway, at the moment I don't have the budget for an expensive HD monitor
so just wondering if this could be used for post producton. I'm aware that this monitor isn't a great solution for color correction. Is there something else I should consider for under $500?
I'm getting ready to buy the Canon A1 within the next few weeks.
Any advise would help.

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Old March 10th, 2008, 02:44 AM   #2
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just make sur you choose an S_PVA display. (the dell is).
TN display are a lot cheaper, but very bad for color.
S-IPS are the best for color, but not very fast for video.
S-PVA are just in between.
Anway a good calibration will be required.
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Old March 10th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #3
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thanks for the explanation. I wil probably get the dell
and then a second monitor at some point.
What kind of inexpensive monitor ($500 or less) should I get for color correction and can I get anything good for that amount?
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Old March 11th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #4
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Avoid the E248WFP

An extra warning about the E248WFP, I got one of these in December '07 direct from Dell and its backlight went bad in a week.

The two replacements had malfunctioning backlights out of the box. I think it's around seven weeks since I returned the third monitor and I'm still waiting on my refund from Dell.

Oh yes, I also haven't seen the gift card we were supposed to get for purchasing the system the monitor came with last november.

Dell makes OK computers at an OK price though.

I haven't heard of anything good <$500 for color correction. The best value seems to be A 23" Apple Cinema Display (which may drop in price when Apple replaces it soon) or Dell 2407WFP + a Matrox MXO but that's only for macs.

If you just want a 24" computer monitor, right now I think the Samsung (245BW?) has good reviews/value. Not sure what panel type that is though.

For PC cheap color correcting you probably want a black magic intensity card and a small LCD HDTV you like the look of (Panasonic and Sony have recommendations from pros).



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Old March 11th, 2008, 05:49 PM   #5
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I looked into the Samsung 245BW but got mixed reviews.
I'm considering the new Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP for
$699. I like the variety of connection options. As far as the image quality
I have no idea what it will look like until I see it with my own eyes
and compare it with what I have. If anyone is using this monitor
please let me know what you think. There's also the Samsung
SyncMaster 245T 24" for about $670. I'm leaning towards the
Dell at this point. As far as color correction goes I will look into
the intensity Pro. Thanks for your help!
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Old March 11th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #6
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just make sur you choose an S_PVA display. (the dell is).
TN display are a lot cheaper, but very bad for color.
The E248WFP is a TN film. Having just bought one, I can barely recommend it as solely a computer monitor, much less for video.

I think in the end I will keep it, and it will be the second of a dual 24" setup next to a 2407WFP.

But for gosh's sakes, don't monitor video on it.
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Old March 11th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #7
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I looked into the Samsung 245BW but got mixed reviews.
I'm considering the new Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP for
$699. I like the variety of connection options. As far as the image quality
I have no idea what it will look like until I see it with my own eyes
and compare it with what I have. If anyone is using this monitor
please let me know what you think. There's also the Samsung
SyncMaster 245T 24" for about $670. I'm leaning towards the
Dell at this point. As far as color correction goes I will look into
the intensity Pro. Thanks for your help!

The Ultra Sharp series of Dells are WAY better than the three digit series ones.

I have an older 2005FPW and it blows away the cheaper E207WFP series that my I got for my wife a year ago.

At my work place.. we deploy all manners of Dells screens. 19", 20" and 24" Wide.. and from what I've seen, they are reliable and beautiful.

The aluminum stands on the Ultrasharps is adjustable for both height and tilt.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #8
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i think i'll just go with the 2408WFP.
if I'm not satified i could always return
it and try something else. For HD monitoring
I can get a HDlink but I'm not sure if I will
need to get any additonal hardware to have it
work the HDlink like Intensity card or something else.
Will the HDlink alone help with monitoring?
Sorry for the newbie questions this is all new to me.

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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:36 AM   #9
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I know that DELL monitors that end in HC, like the 2407WFP-HC, use a backlight that is whiter and lets the monitor produce a wider gamut.

This is highly preferable to the standard backlight wich has a greenish tint and cannot reproduce some colors that well.

I find this siteuseful for oncise technical overviews and tests. The link is to a review of the 2407FWO-HC and contains some info on the DELL HiColor feature.

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Old March 12th, 2008, 01:06 PM   #10
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thanks! I'll search around and see if I can find
a review for the 2408WFP as well. I would assume that it is superior to
the 2407WFP but you never know. I didn't see the 2407 on Dell's website so I guess it's discontinued and has been replaced by the newer model.
From what I read TrueColor technology is suppose to enable 110 percent color gamut, a feature that is important for illustrators, visual artist and video editing.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #11
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From what I read TrueColor technology is suppose to enable 110 percent color gamut, a feature that is important for illustrators, visual artist and video editing.
The ideal color gamut for video editing would be exactly Rec. 709 / sRGB.

Wide gamut is more harmful than helpful unless you have color management to deal with it (which most NLEs don't).
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Old March 12th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #12
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now i'm really lost. Glenn are you saying that the Dell 2408WFP is useless
for HD video editing? Could you explain the color management part of your post? I didn't get it:-(
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Old March 12th, 2008, 05:04 PM   #13
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Glenn are you saying that the Dell 2408WFP is useless
for HD video editing?
It should be fine. Just be aware that the colors are likely off, since most computer monitors are not designed to have good color for video. If you had the money, you'd get a proper broadcast monitor... which can do things computer monitors can't or aren't designed to do (e.g. handle interlacing properly).

If you're deciding between computer monitors (which have their issues as noted above), the Dell is probably fine as their monitors tend to be very good computer monitors.

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Could you explain the color management part of your post? I didn't get it:-(
Supposing you had a wide gamut display and you are putting normal (e.g. Rec. 709) gamut material on it... normally the values will pass straight through and the colors will be wrong (for consumer uses that is fine since everything becomes more saturated). You would need color management to get proper colors.

2- In Vegas, you need to manually wrangle your color spaces sometimes.

http://www.glennchan.info/articles/v...lorspaces.html

Without it, your monitoring may be wrong.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #14
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ok i think i get it. since it's not within my budget for a broadcast monitor at this time couldn't i just buy a HDlink and that would take care of the interlacing coloring etc???
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Old March 12th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #15
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Dell E2407WFP-HC or E2408WFP???

Kajito and all,

I've been reading this thread with interest as I've been wondering about a getting a good widescreen monitor for a while now and relegating my (still really excellent) 3.5 year old 17-inch Dell 1703FP Ultrasharp (4 x 3) monitor to secondary display. I also have a cheap/entry level 14-inch Dell TFT monitor which is currently the secondary (got given it for free!) and this all works pretty nicely with Vegas 7e on my Dell Dimension 4600 for HDV editing.

The 2407WFP-HC seems to now be discontinued (on the Dell site) but got, generally, really great reviews ...link to one of them in one of the posts above (George's, #9) - and much discussion (21 pages of it no less!) on the AV Forum (link below to the last page of that discussion.)

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...594675&page=21

However, UK site pcbuyit seems to have it in stock.... so if you want one for a bit less than 400 quid...... (at the time of writing.)

http://www.pcbuyit.co.uk/dept.asp?de...FQ2SHgod22vi9w

They also have it's successor, the E2408WPF (at a much better price than Dell site but still with the Dell guarantee.) Link to the Dell site with full specs below - it appears to be a better spec than the E2407WFP-HC.

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna...hs1&sku=147262

EDIT at 4:00AM!!!! Seems someone at Dell was listening as the price just came down overnight by a significant amount. Looks like my mind is now made up!

If anyone has either of these I'd love to hear what you think. My use is as a keen video editing amateur, not professional, as I know the colours will still be "off" but I have high opinion of Dell (and their superb pixel/guarantee policy on their higher end displays.)

I'm just wondering if one of these 24-inch widescreens and my current Dell Ultrasharp might be a bit overkill (which seems to be what my wife is thinking when I mentioned my interest in this subject this evening!!!!)
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