A Dynamic Wedding Clip at DVinfo.net

Oleg Kalyan · February 15th, 2008, 03:38 PM

Please take a look at short wedding clip, edited to a non typical wedding music.
Please share you thoughts!

Oleg Kalyan · February 15th, 2008, 03:39 PM

Sorry forgot to post the link
http://olegkalyan.ru/reel/juliaartem.html

Ram Purad · February 15th, 2008, 07:34 PM

Non typical indeed!!!

When I clicked the link, first I thought my damn spyware re-directed me to a soft porn site ;-) Then I realized it is the right clip.

I like your technical work. Shooting and editing are great. Seems to fit the music well. But the whole explicit thing, I don't think it will fit well with the wedding indusrty. Then again it all depends on the country, culture and more importantly the couple. If B&G are up for it, then I don't see a problem. And in this case, they seems to be very open minded so it might work out.

I wish my brides are like this, although my wife won't allow me to shoot weddings if they are ;-)

Oleg Kalyan · February 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM

Ram, thank you,
you know this clip was just a non typical approach to editing, and is a part of a long wedding film, I see this clip as sensual, playful, loving, all that reflect this particular couple, and my directorial approach to storytelling.
The wedding took place at a rebuilt castle Maindorf, just outside of Moscow.
Original material allows me to approach this film differently, and allowed me to be maybe a little more original.

Regards, Oleg!

Noa Put · February 16th, 2008, 03:38 AM

Now this was refreshing! I really liked the way you approached it. Think I saw some flashlights and so on during the shoot, did you get some help with the lighting? What camera did you use? How did you compress for the web because your clip looked razorsharp.
Sorry for so many questions but I would be thankfull if you could share some of your shooting and editing secrets. :)

John Moon · February 16th, 2008, 08:18 AM

Oleg:

I liked it. Sometimes you just have to push the envelope a bit. I liked you creative use of light.

John

Frank Simpson · February 16th, 2008, 09:50 AM

Brilliantly produced. Technically excellent, but as to "storytelling", I don't see it. There's really no narrative; it's more of an image montage, and at that I got tired of it about halfway through. It really seemed like an assemblage of transitions rather than a piece with actual substance. In my opinion (and it is only this, my opinion) it's all about style and vrtually nothing about content. As a memento or keepsake for the couple, I'm sure they'll LOVE it, but I don't think it's the kind of thing that has an appeal for other audiences.

Jason Magbanua · February 16th, 2008, 10:57 AM

WHOAA! love the technique and the concept. not for everybody but I sure as hell liked it.

thanks for sharing.

Jason Donaldson · February 16th, 2008, 01:04 PM

I absolutely loved it...would love to know your editing techniques and "how to's" of how you did that...what editing software, etc.

Oleg Kalyan · February 16th, 2008, 04:15 PM

Thank you, Everyone for your comments, and support : )

The piece was shot one camera Canon A1, 50i Pal, HDV, edited 16/9 DV in
FCP, used FCP plugins and Boris Continuum Complete,

I used Compressor to make a web clip, H264, 1200 kbs
There was a photographer working at the same time, with the help of his assistant, I had some portable light going steady and moving during the shots.

As far as editing goes it was not meant to be a story rather a clip, sort of a music video, not having a narrative, rather mixing things up, so it's "reality, dream and imagination going all at the same time", if this explanation makes any sense
: )

Richard Wakefield · February 16th, 2008, 05:11 PM

Brilliant!! refreshing, creative, stylish, erotic... i'm not convinced however that they'll be showing the future kids or in-laws, LOL

and i'm telling you now, if i came home with footage like that, i'm not sure i'd be in a relationship anymore :)

so is the girl in that an actress? she's very natural infront of a camera...

to those that think this clip is just plain rude, try watching it in reverse!

seriously though, great encoding and overally just very different and refreshing

Alastair Brown · February 16th, 2008, 10:34 PM

Hubba Hubba, he's a lucky man!

Oleg Kalyan · February 17th, 2008, 01:11 AM

Thanks again,
The Bride is not an actress, she could be one, couldn't she!

When we were shooting that particular part of the wedding B&G opened up for the camera...at the beginning they were skeptical about that particular part, and me talking about the shot inside covered bed...the room, furniture allowed some creative, intimate fantasy, so I explored that, and they went for it, we had a great deal of communication, trust.

I agree that the Groom is a lucky man, just like all of the Grooms on the Wedding Day!

Victor Kellar · February 17th, 2008, 11:05 AM

First: Its different. I love different. Different is good. If I see one more sequence of slo mo clips with the bride in salon chair intermixed with the groorm standing at the alter with a VO: "I met Jenny in high school..." I'll just barf. I make money of that style but I still barf

Second: Technincally you put some real work into this. Image quality is very high. Shot composition is solid as is camera movement. Technically the editing is tight

I have no problem with a non linear editing style. Sometimes we get too "boxed in" with our wedding timelines

My only issue is that the music and the technique may not match the content and the shooting style. I may have started with music that was a bit slower, more sensuous and let your nice camerawork just flow from one shot to the next for a bit, building that sense of mood and sensuality, then transitioned to the faster paced, fast cutting that you do. Also, maybe a bit of over kill with the effects, you have good quality images you can let them speak for you

Overall, though, you have something distinct and individual and I am always for that

Oleg Kalyan · February 18th, 2008, 04:42 AM

Victor, Thank you!

Could you suggest the music that you think will fit.
I can certainly change the pace, the music I've used doesn't suggest a build and dynamic, emotional change..

Cheers!

February 15th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#1
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	A Dynamic Wedding Clip Please take a look at short wedding clip, edited to a non typical wedding music. Please share you thoughts!

February 15th, 2008, 07:34 PM	#3
Ram Purad Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 171	Non typical indeed!!! When I clicked the link, first I thought my damn spyware re-directed me to a soft porn site ;-) Then I realized it is the right clip. I like your technical work. Shooting and editing are great. Seems to fit the music well. But the whole explicit thing, I don't think it will fit well with the wedding indusrty. Then again it all depends on the country, culture and more importantly the couple. If B&G are up for it, then I don't see a problem. And in this case, they seems to be very open minded so it might work out. I wish my brides are like this, although my wife won't allow me to shoot weddings if they are ;-) __________________ Ram Purad :: Aspiring Event Filmmaker http://www.butterflysquad.com

February 16th, 2008, 08:18 AM	#6
John Moon Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 446	Oleg: I liked it. Sometimes you just have to push the envelope a bit. I liked you creative use of light. John __________________ John J. Moon www.northernlightfilmworks.com - Event DV Top 25 Recipient

February 16th, 2008, 01:04 PM	#9
Jason Donaldson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Canada Posts: 180	I absolutely loved it...would love to know your editing techniques and "how to's" of how you did that...what editing software, etc. __________________ HVR-A1u,WCS-999,HVL-20DW2 w/diff,2xAudio-Technica Freeway 600,Flycam 3000,Vegas 7E

February 15th, 2008, 03:39 PM	#2
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Sorry forgot to post the link http://olegkalyan.ru/reel/juliaartem.html

February 16th, 2008, 12:35 AM	#4
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Ram, thank you, you know this clip was just a non typical approach to editing, and is a part of a long wedding film, I see this clip as sensual, playful, loving, all that reflect this particular couple, and my directorial approach to storytelling. The wedding took place at a rebuilt castle Maindorf, just outside of Moscow. Original material allows me to approach this film differently, and allowed me to be maybe a little more original. Regards, Oleg!

February 16th, 2008, 03:38 AM	#5
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Now this was refreshing! I really liked the way you approached it. Think I saw some flashlights and so on during the shoot, did you get some help with the lighting? What camera did you use? How did you compress for the web because your clip looked razorsharp. Sorry for so many questions but I would be thankfull if you could share some of your shooting and editing secrets. :)

February 16th, 2008, 09:50 AM	#7
Frank Simpson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bozeman, MT Posts: 217	Brilliantly produced. Technically excellent, but as to "storytelling", I don't see it. There's really no narrative; it's more of an image montage, and at that I got tired of it about halfway through. It really seemed like an assemblage of transitions rather than a piece with actual substance. In my opinion (and it is only this, my opinion) it's all about style and vrtually nothing about content. As a memento or keepsake for the couple, I'm sure they'll LOVE it, but I don't think it's the kind of thing that has an appeal for other audiences.

February 16th, 2008, 10:57 AM	#8
Jason Magbanua Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Manila Posts: 317	WHOAA! love the technique and the concept. not for everybody but I sure as hell liked it. thanks for sharing.

February 16th, 2008, 04:15 PM	#10
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Thank you, Everyone for your comments, and support : ) The piece was shot one camera Canon A1, 50i Pal, HDV, edited 16/9 DV in FCP, used FCP plugins and Boris Continuum Complete, I used Compressor to make a web clip, H264, 1200 kbs There was a photographer working at the same time, with the help of his assistant, I had some portable light going steady and moving during the shots. As far as editing goes it was not meant to be a story rather a clip, sort of a music video, not having a narrative, rather mixing things up, so it's "reality, dream and imagination going all at the same time", if this explanation makes any sense : )

February 16th, 2008, 05:11 PM	#11
Richard Wakefield Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 680	Brilliant!! refreshing, creative, stylish, erotic... i'm not convinced however that they'll be showing the future kids or in-laws, LOL and i'm telling you now, if i came home with footage like that, i'm not sure i'd be in a relationship anymore :) so is the girl in that an actress? she's very natural infront of a camera... to those that think this clip is just plain rude, try watching it in reverse! seriously though, great encoding and overally just very different and refreshing

February 16th, 2008, 10:34 PM	#12
Alastair Brown Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Posts: 626	Hubba Hubba, he's a lucky man!

February 17th, 2008, 01:11 AM	#13
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Thanks again, The Bride is not an actress, she could be one, couldn't she! When we were shooting that particular part of the wedding B&G opened up for the camera...at the beginning they were skeptical about that particular part, and me talking about the shot inside covered bed...the room, furniture allowed some creative, intimate fantasy, so I explored that, and they went for it, we had a great deal of communication, trust. I agree that the Groom is a lucky man, just like all of the Grooms on the Wedding Day!

February 17th, 2008, 11:05 AM	#14
Victor Kellar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada Posts: 239	First: Its different. I love different. Different is good. If I see one more sequence of slo mo clips with the bride in salon chair intermixed with the groorm standing at the alter with a VO: "I met Jenny in high school..." I'll just barf. I make money of that style but I still barf Second: Technincally you put some real work into this. Image quality is very high. Shot composition is solid as is camera movement. Technically the editing is tight I have no problem with a non linear editing style. Sometimes we get too "boxed in" with our wedding timelines My only issue is that the music and the technique may not match the content and the shooting style. I may have started with music that was a bit slower, more sensuous and let your nice camerawork just flow from one shot to the next for a bit, building that sense of mood and sensuality, then transitioned to the faster paced, fast cutting that you do. Also, maybe a bit of over kill with the effects, you have good quality images you can let them speak for you Overall, though, you have something distinct and individual and I am always for that

February 18th, 2008, 04:42 AM	#15
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Victor, Thank you! Could you suggest the music that you think will fit. I can certainly change the pace, the music I've used doesn't suggest a build and dynamic, emotional change.. Cheers!