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Old September 28th, 2008, 02:58 AM   #1
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A client has asked me to supply a project in Flash video format (flv).

What tools are you using to convert video from Vegas into Flash? I'm guessing that you'll be rendering avi out of Vegas but if anyone has any better ideas I'd be happy to hear. I don't own Adobe Flash so I don't have that encoder. I already have Squeeze - is that good for Flash? My first few tests didn't seem that great when comparing filesize/quality with a similar sized wmv rendered file.

Thanks for any suggestions.

On a separate but similar note, the video clips on my website are all wmv. I chose it because it seemed like the most ubiquitous format. Some of my non-Windows clients have had trouble seeing the clips (and will absolutely not install a Microsoft product like WMP!). Would I be better off converting all the clips to Flash? I like the idea of being able to use a customisable player that will match my site design better and I want the widest possible number of visitors to see the clips without problems. Any thoughts?

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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:07 AM   #2
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Flash has the highest market penetration.
I use SUPER to convert to Flash.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 03:52 AM   #3
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Thanks Brian. Just to be sure, is this the Super you mentioned? SUPER .

Looks very comprehensive.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 07:19 AM   #4
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Regarding coverting, I use Flash CS3 for converting. Since I use Vegas to edit, and since Vegas doesn't render .flv, I render project out to uncompressed .avi then re-render to .flv using Flash. While there are tons of programs to convert to .flv, Sorenson is the tool of choice for many pros, though I am not recommending it over anything else.

Ian, I have studied the .wmv vs. .flv question, and I prefer .wmv for quality. Color reproduction with .wmv is superior, though this is disputed by some. (For those who love to argue, I am not starting a debate on this point as I said it is disputed by some.) Render out one of each with similar settings though, and you can see for yourself.

What Brian says is obviously true, that flash has a higher market penetration.

However, when is the last time you heard of a PC or mac that couldn't play a .wmv file?

I see on your website that you are using a .wmv player. The videos look great, and I wouldn't change a thing, IMO.

Regarding coverting, I use Flash CS3 for converting. Since I use Vegas to edit, and since Vegas doesn't render .flv, I render project out to uncompressed .avi then re-render to .flv using Flash. The uncompressed avi file is huge, but the quality difference is worth it, IMO.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 08:00 AM   #5
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Thanks Jeff.

I have had a few clients (three, maybe four) who haven't been able to view the wmv's, but that's all.

The one thing that is pushing me to the Flash route (for my site) is the ability to use a wide variety of Flash players that can be customised to fit better with my site style. I wish I could have that much control (easily) over Windows Media Player's appearance.

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Old September 28th, 2008, 08:07 AM   #6
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From what you say, Ian, you would be better off with Flash. I just hate that Vegas doesn't do it. Rendering out to uncompressed .avi creates about 4GB files for just a few minutes, then it has to be re-rendered, what a pain. In addition, it means an additional program installed on my machine, which I dislike.

I am actually surprised that you've even had three or four clients who couldn't view wmv.

I admit that would be unacceptable to me.

For the control you are looking for, Flash is the way to go, no doubt about it.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 10:20 AM   #7
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Hmm, should really say "couldn't or wouldn't" . . . Mac-lovers who wouldn't install a Microsoft product!!
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Old September 28th, 2008, 06:16 PM   #8
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As a PC user there are days when I feel the same way.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 08:56 PM   #9
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. I wish I could have that much control (easily) over Windows Media Player's appearance.

Ian . . .
Yeah, it's so lame looking. I don't like it.
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Old September 29th, 2008, 01:39 AM   #10
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For completeness, one other problem that some of my clients have experienced is that they can see the Windows Media video but not hear it, or the other way around. This appears to occur when they are using older versions of WMP. "Upgrade", you scream. Well yes, except these people are often working in large corporations with a locked desktop - (which I guess is going to be an issue regardless of format).

I've been looking into what you can and can't do with the parameters of the WM UI in a browser (without programming). You can, among other things, set the controls to be invisible; select from a couple of control layouts (lots of buttons or just a few, basically); and run in Windowless mode (which seems to cause problems in some situations so is best avoided). What you can't seem to easily do is, for example, only display the mute or volume button, or overlay a logo, or show a transparent control panel over the video that appears on hovering etc - all the things that I want to do! :-(

It's a shame because I really do think wmv is a great format.
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Old September 29th, 2008, 01:44 AM   #11
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it is a shame, because I strongly prefer the look of video in .wmv...in flash colors are muted and motion is not as smooth. Of course the higher quality the original footage, the better, but that is a reason I like wmv, my footage is shot with low-end equipment (VX and PD series cams). I would feel less averse to flv if Vegas rendered it.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #12
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best program I have found, have tried them all:

Winnydows: XviD4PSP & GlassBalance: XviD4PSP 5.0
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Old September 30th, 2008, 01:08 AM   #13
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Looks interesting, Hugh, thanks (once you get over the english and that cartoon bear!).
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Old September 30th, 2008, 02:01 PM   #14
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Not only that but what are all those abreviations in the drop down boxes, i have made an educated guess and been lucky, tried one other and it went nowhere. and there is no real support, the forums don't get anwered much, but it is using the most advance codecs, i.e h.264 even x.264, there is another program i found but only good for Mac, it looks very interesting,
DV Kitchen at DVcreators.net

you can test the bitrate for best performance before rendering,
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Old September 30th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #15
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Odd coincidence, Hugh - I have just sat at my desk to spend an evening messing around with the Winnydows app. Not sure how far I'm going to get though as I had root canal surgery this afternoon and the anaesthetic is wearing off! Could be time for a few shots of something else . . .
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