Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Edward Troxel · May 22nd, 2006, 08:23 PM

NOTE: some people have lost some of the default effects when uninstalling Vegas 5. If this happens, first try reinstalling Vegas 6 and if they're still gone reinstall Vegas 5.

Brian Luce · May 22nd, 2006, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Foronda

After many attempts to get the supplied CF codec to work and Vegas was not operating correctly I had re-booted my computer. Vegas 6 software (CD) is not able to install anymore. Anyone knows whats going on? I will try tech support but they're closed at the moment.

Thanks

Is you're computer a little older? vegas 6 won't install on older computers sometimes., I had to use vegas 5.

Jeff Baker · May 22nd, 2006, 09:32 PM

Thanks, I had forgot of that alternative.

Fred Foronda · May 22nd, 2006, 09:44 PM

Nope, I previously had it up and running until I added the Connect HD trial verison. When it expried thats when I started to have problems. Thats why I rebooted my computer.

Rob Gregory-Browne · May 22nd, 2006, 10:03 PM

I'm new to HDV, via the A1U. I've been using Vegas since version 2, I believe. So let me get this straight:

In order to edit realistically in Vegas with HD footage, you have to render it down to DV. Then after you edit, you have to render again. But there' s no real point in rendering to HDV, because there's no real mechanism for delivery.

Am I understanding this correctly?

What's the difference between doing the conversion in Vegas and doing the conversion in the A1U during output/capture?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 22nd, 2006, 10:07 PM

Conversion in-camera:
You can never recapture frame accurately to have an HD master. YOu can only ever have an SD master.

Conversion in Vegas:
you can have an HD master, SD master, HDV master.

The rest is debatable. Although it takes longer, I prefer to convert in Vegas.

Michael Stowe · May 22nd, 2006, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Gregory-Browne

I'm new to HDV, via the A1U. I've been using Vegas since version 2, I believe. So let me get this straight:

In order to edit realistically in Vegas with HD footage, you have to render it down to DV. Then after you edit, you have to render again. But there' s no real point in rendering to HDV, because there's no real mechanism for delivery.

Am I understanding this correctly?

What's the difference between doing the conversion in Vegas and doing the conversion in the A1U during output/capture?

Basically...SD is now pretty much the only delivery opton, but with viable HD delivery options in the near future it is good to have an HD back up. You are actually not rendering the video to dv (atleast I don't believe) in vegas. You would use an intermediate codec which is similar to a layer in photoshop. You can then edit the video without degrading as much as you would by rendering the HD to DV. You then, from there, can go back to tape as HD or render to SD for DVD purposes (or for computer, etc..)

Michael Stowe · May 22nd, 2006, 10:21 PM

If it is a ConnectHD issue you should uninstall, which I am sure you have done. You also may need to get rid of the registry entries that are left behind which I will not get into since there is a risk involved with this. I just recently reinstalled Sony 6 without issue and had a trial version of ConnectHD onboard. What is the exact error you are getting?

Rob Gregory-Browne · May 22nd, 2006, 11:28 PM

Okay so what stops me from doing the following:

1. Do the conversion in camera during capture.

2. Edit in Vegas.

3. Render as needed in SD.

4. If and when I need an HD version in the future, simply recapture the original footage in HD and replace all the SD footage with the HD footage in the Media bin.

5. Render to HD.

I'm not sure I understand why this wouldn't work.

Fred Foronda · May 22nd, 2006, 11:29 PM

I load the cd and the intro vegas screen pops up along with the funky music in the background with the selections. I click on install vegas there a very long pause then an error comes up and reads: "Set up.exe Application error. The application failed to initialize properly (0XC0000006.)" That don't look so good. Should I reboot again?? This is so time consuming spent all day trying to figure this out.

Sean Seah · May 23rd, 2006, 06:48 AM

You were right John, Gearshift does force the files to be placed in the same folder. Silly me must have rendered both the DV proxy n CF files together is a different folder, den deleted the CF n tested if I could swap to m2t. Its working fine. Now to find out my other question on FX1 converted DV before I make a conclusion. Thanks again for the quick support!

Sean Seah · May 23rd, 2006, 06:50 AM

Oh yeah.. thaz a good tip I forgot. Anyway. I cant tell because my mini preview window at the lower corner doesnt have the 2 black bars when I have a m2t or Cf files on the time line, just like DV-PAL. Thaz why I cant tell the difference. I'm not sure if there is something wrong with the preview screen.

Michael Stowe · May 23rd, 2006, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Gregory-Browne

Okay so what stops me from doing the following:

1. Do the conversion in camera during capture.

2. Edit in Vegas.

3. Render as needed in SD.

4. If and when I need an HD version in the future, simply recapture the original footage in HD and replace all the SD footage with the HD footage in the Media bin.

5. Render to HD.

I'm not sure I understand why this wouldn't work.

Nothing that I can see. Many will say you get better results letting vegas do the conversion but many say they do not see a difference. Not sure about any editing you may do from the start though. If you had a lot of editing you may want to put it back on tape afterwards rather than redo everything. The experienced on here can give you the advantages and disadvantages.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 23rd, 2006, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Gregory-Browne

4. If and when I need an HD version in the future, simply recapture the original footage in HD and replace all the SD footage with the HD footage in the Media bin.

.

the lack of frame-accurate recapture would prevent you from accomplishing this at this time.

Rob Gregory-Browne · May 23rd, 2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

the lack of frame-accurate recapture would prevent you from accomplishing this at this time.

Ahh. Now that makes sense.

Maybe this will all be moot in a year or two when the computers have caught up to HD.

May 22nd, 2006, 08:23 PM	#1636
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	NOTE: some people have lost some of the default effects when uninstalling Vegas 5. If this happens, first try reinstalling Vegas 6 and if they're still gone reinstall Vegas 5. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 22nd, 2006, 09:32 PM	#1638
Jeff Baker Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northampton, MA Posts: 184	Thanks, I had forgot of that alternative. __________________ Canon C100, 5D3

May 22nd, 2006, 10:03 PM	#1640
Rob Gregory-Browne Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107	So Let Me Get This Straight I'm new to HDV, via the A1U. I've been using Vegas since version 2, I believe. So let me get this straight: In order to edit realistically in Vegas with HD footage, you have to render it down to DV. Then after you edit, you have to render again. But there' s no real point in rendering to HDV, because there's no real mechanism for delivery. Am I understanding this correctly? What's the difference between doing the conversion in Vegas and doing the conversion in the A1U during output/capture?

May 22nd, 2006, 10:07 PM	#1641
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Conversion in-camera: You can never recapture frame accurately to have an HD master. YOu can only ever have an SD master. Conversion in Vegas: you can have an HD master, SD master, HDV master. The rest is debatable. Although it takes longer, I prefer to convert in Vegas. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 22nd, 2006, 11:29 PM	#1645
Fred Foronda Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 337	I load the cd and the intro vegas screen pops up along with the funky music in the background with the selections. I click on install vegas there a very long pause then an error comes up and reads: "Set up.exe Application error. The application failed to initialize properly (0XC0000006.)" That don't look so good. Should I reboot again?? This is so time consuming spent all day trying to figure this out. Last edited by Fred Foronda; May 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 AM.

May 22nd, 2006, 09:44 PM	#1639
Fred Foronda Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 337	Nope, I previously had it up and running until I added the Connect HD trial verison. When it expried thats when I started to have problems. Thats why I rebooted my computer.

May 22nd, 2006, 10:21 PM	#1643
Michael Stowe Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 177	If it is a ConnectHD issue you should uninstall, which I am sure you have done. You also may need to get rid of the registry entries that are left behind which I will not get into since there is a risk involved with this. I just recently reinstalled Sony 6 without issue and had a trial version of ConnectHD onboard. What is the exact error you are getting?

May 22nd, 2006, 11:28 PM	#1644
Rob Gregory-Browne Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 107	Okay so what stops me from doing the following: 1. Do the conversion in camera during capture. 2. Edit in Vegas. 3. Render as needed in SD. 4. If and when I need an HD version in the future, simply recapture the original footage in HD and replace all the SD footage with the HD footage in the Media bin. 5. Render to HD. I'm not sure I understand why this wouldn't work.

May 23rd, 2006, 06:48 AM	#1646
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	You were right John, Gearshift does force the files to be placed in the same folder. Silly me must have rendered both the DV proxy n CF files together is a different folder, den deleted the CF n tested if I could swap to m2t. Its working fine. Now to find out my other question on FX1 converted DV before I make a conclusion. Thanks again for the quick support!

May 23rd, 2006, 06:50 AM	#1647
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Oh yeah.. thaz a good tip I forgot. Anyway. I cant tell because my mini preview window at the lower corner doesnt have the 2 black bars when I have a m2t or Cf files on the time line, just like DV-PAL. Thaz why I cant tell the difference. I'm not sure if there is something wrong with the preview screen.