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Old November 15th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #1
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Sharing my first 4K homevideo from my GH4

Hi all.

I wanted to share my first 4K (UHD 3840x2160) homevideo. After all, its edited in Vegas Pro =)
Vegas Pro had no problems at all working with the clips from the Panasonic GH4. I have both used 2160p, 29.97fps and 1080p, 96fps. Sometimes I did use proxy files created by Vegas Pro, especially when I first worked with a video file in After Effects, rendered it out to an huge 3840x2160 uncompressed .avi (a 15seconds long clip is about 11gb) and then imported it to Sony Vegas timeline. Those files was better to make proxy's of. For other clips, I only created proxy files for a couple, mostly on clips I used alot of FX's and grading on...

For those who not know my hardware, and wants to know, here it is:
i7 3770k 4.5GHz
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2TB Media disk
2TB Backup disk

Im not a very active writer on this forum, but I do read this forum weekly, since about 2007. I noticed that many on this forum, editing as their profession. So there are many skilled editors and gurus here.

Me myself only have this as a hobby. Because I love computer/camera technology and my kids.
When I started with editing, I only used stills, because I hated how low the resolution was before 1080p came along. But now when you have 4K, every frame of your movie, is a still picture. My goal is to make homevideos to a cinematic level, something more then just having 50 homevideo tapes laying around in the bookshelf.

Because there is so many great guys here, I would love to hear what you have to say about my first 4K film. That would mean alot to me....


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Old November 15th, 2014, 05:49 PM   #2
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Cute boy and beautiful family.

You have great soundtrack, great audio, wonderful video. Everything looks and sounds very very nice.

It looks and sounds like a movie. Did not get the story, but who cares, it was enjoyable to watch.
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Old November 15th, 2014, 06:38 PM   #3
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Hi Jeff!

Thank you very much, I really appreciate it!

I really wanted the viewer to experience the film like a film, and not a regular homevideo, and wanting to look throw the whole film without scrubbing fast forward or fall asleep... =)

The story was kind of loose.. I actually did the story with the clips I already had, and not vice versa...
Only two time did I go out and shoot because I needed some material for the story...
And my texting wasnt 100% either...

But I am very glad a professional film editor and filmmaker enjoyed my film =)
I couldnt be happier!

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Old November 15th, 2014, 09:47 PM   #4
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As Jeff said, It looks like footage from a feature film.
I loved it.
We should have a thread for "Clips featuring our loved ones". Since we probably have all done them at one time or another.
I learnt most of what I know from doing these.
Not as classy as yours Kim, only 720p GoPro, but a bit of fun-
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Old November 16th, 2014, 05:41 AM   #5
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Thank You, Kim, for sharing Your very nice work.
Greeting from my grandson about the same age who have not yet had time to get into 4k movie ;)
It seems to me to look after the movie clip is not necessary to use all the currently popular techniques. Better impression would be used for simpler techniques.
Here a very simple home video UHD clip from neighbors across the Baltic Sea - from Riga. We currently undergoing light festival Staro Rīga 2014. Clip edited on my internet PC (i5, 8 GB RAM, Intel HD Video) with Sony Movie Studio Platinium v13.0
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Old November 16th, 2014, 02:43 PM   #6
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As Jeff said, It looks like footage from a feature film.
I loved it.
We should have a thread for "Clips featuring our loved ones". Since we probably have all done them at one time or another.
I learnt most of what I know from doing these.
Not as classy as yours Kim, only 720p GoPro, but a bit of fun-
Christopher goes to Disneyland. on Vimeo
Thnx Gerald, for your comment. Glad you liked it.
I really liked the animations in your video! Great idea of a thread for this kind of video, maybe you should start one...

Nice to see faces of the guys you often only have text as communication...
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Old November 16th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #7
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Thank You, Kim, for sharing Your very nice work.
Greeting from my grandson about the same age who have not yet had time to get into 4k movie ;)
It seems to me to look after the movie clip is not necessary to use all the currently popular techniques. Better impression would be used for simpler techniques.
Here a very simple home video UHD clip from neighbors across the Baltic Sea - from Riga. We currently undergoing light festival Staro Rīga 2014. Clip edited on my internet PC (i5, 8 GB RAM, Intel HD Video) with Sony Movie Studio Platinium v13.0
Staro Rīga 2014 - Garāmgājēja impresijas 4K - YouTube
Juris, nice one!
Really cool we are sitting in front of our computers talking to each other when we are all scattered around the whole world.
Jeff from US, Gerald from Australia, Juris from Latvija, me from Sweden and so on..
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Old November 21st, 2014, 10:01 AM   #8
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Hoping someone could help me or at least explain to my why this phenomen occur...

In time 4:26 and 5:58 into the film, the clips which plays, is twixtored in slowmotion. When I look at my original rendered film, it plays fluidly and perfect. But I noticed now that my film on Youtube played thoses clips like it was 7fps... Really choppy and bad...

Youtube must have done some strange compression to the film... Is this something I can solve and rerender it differently or something?
Did I do something wrong with my render settings?

Thnx.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 02:48 PM   #9
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Changes between frames is small enough , so YT coder is trying to save bitrate.
Ways to reduce the impact on the quality of coding:
1. Use images with sharper edges,
2. Do not use such a large slowdown,
3. Upload to YT a better quality video with a higher bitrate.
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Old November 22nd, 2014, 06:24 PM   #10
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To your answers 1 and 2, then why are the clip at 5:45 playing fine?
That clip is also slowed down, just as much, and has equal sharpness/blurriness as the other two clip....

Other people over the Youtube have thousands of videos with twixtor, retiming videos (slower) way more than I do.

Youtube have done some weird when recompressing two of the clips in my film...

Should it really help rerendering another video with higher bitrate?

My current render setting is:
3840x2160p
profile - main
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constant bitrate 50mbps
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Do you think it would be better if I raise bitrate to 135mbps ?

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Old November 23rd, 2014, 12:28 AM   #11
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no idea if this anything to do with your problem....

YouTube Takes the Plunge to 4K ? But There's a Catch

as an aside, and not in the least meant as trolling:

why 4k to youtube? i don't think many viewers will have 4k tv's, and even if they do they'll need pretty good net connect.

in peace ;-)
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 06:17 AM   #12
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Well, you do have a choice, you can always watch the film in 1440p, 1080p, 720p, 480p, 360p and 240p...
And the problem is still there...

I bought a 4K TV (3840x2160p) me myself, because when I compare 1080p with 2160p, its really a new beutiful picture I am looking at...
Even with my 1440p monitor which is "only" double the amount pixels comparing to 1080p, its astonishing...
Thats obvious because im sitting about 1-2 feet (40cm) away from the monitor.
And sooner or later, 1080p will dissapear like 480p and 576p did. To have every recordings you have in a more accurate and better picture quality is never wrong.

But of course, why buy/upgrade something if you dont even cant see any diffrences. It up to the individual..

Here in sweden its quite common to have around 100 mbit/sec - 500 mbit/s.
A broadband internet plan at 350/10 mbit/s, is around 350sek (30, $47, €37) / month. 100/100 bmit/sec is around 300sek (25, $40, €32).
Its getting cheaper and cheaper to have a good internet connection these days because people doesnt only stream youtube, they stream netflix and other TV services, backup photos and etc. to the clouds, and so on. And family members do share the connection with each other.

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Old November 23rd, 2014, 03:37 PM   #13
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well, with those speeds i might just move to sweden ;-)

thanks
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 04:25 PM   #14
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Your welcome! =D

And I wouldnt mind living in Australia for a couple of month christmas time. I get so frozen those icy, snowing and cold month here in Sweden... =)
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Old November 24th, 2014, 01:48 AM   #15
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you wouldn't want to be here now - 40 for the last three days - phew!!!!
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