ASIO making Vegas unstable? at DVinfo.net

Glen Elliott · March 6th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Just installed an M-Audio soundcard and M-Audio LX4 monitors and while editing in the last few days Vegas has crashed several times. Usually when I'm clicking around on the timeline with the playhead playing in real-time.

The only thing I changed recently was the addition of the M-audio soundcard and changing the settings under "Audio Device" to "M-Audio Delta ASIO".

Why would this cause instability? What am I gaining my choosing this setting under "Audio Device"? If nothing- I'll go ahead and change it back to the default "Microsoft Sound Mapper" for the sake of being stable.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 6th, 2006, 10:31 PM

Which M-Audio? Firewire? USB? Hard card?
The ASIO drivers are usually the correct drivers. Sometimes, you might need to use Windows Classic, but rarely so.
Have you got the latest drivers? M-Audio is fairly famous for constantly changing drivers for new cards for the first few months or so.

Glen Elliott · March 6th, 2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

Which M-Audio? Firewire? USB? Hard card?
The ASIO drivers are usually the correct drivers. Sometimes, you might need to use Windows Classic, but rarely so.
Have you got the latest drivers? M-Audio is fairly famous for constantly changing drivers for new cards for the first few months or so.

Spot, I got the M-Audio Audiophile 192, it has a dongle that closely resembles a Hydra monster.

What exactly does specifically chosing the ASIO drivers in Vegas do?

Regarding drivers I had to download the newest ones from M-audio because my computer was having trouble posting every other time. It's sounds odd but if I turn my computer on it won't get past the first posting screen. I go to turn it off THEN back on and it's fine. It happened every time I cold booted my machine...it would freeze during posting, causing me to have to manually turn the machine off then back on and the second time it would load.

After I downloaded and installed the newest drivers for the Audiophile I haven't had the problem (knock on wood).

Mark A. Foley · March 7th, 2006, 06:04 AM

I get occasional crashes (BSOD) after I installed the audiophile 192 card and the m-audio drivers. I had assumed it was probably more to do with conflicts with windows and my system. I guess it is time to address it to m-audio....

Mark A. Foley · March 7th, 2006, 11:05 AM

I called M-Audio Tech support...what a waste of time as I could barely understand the person...and he claimed no one has ever reported a problem such as ours....hmmmmm

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 7th, 2006, 11:30 AM

That's nuts, Mark. Sorry to hear it.
M-Audio has always had super tech support, maybe with the AVID acquisition some things have changed.
Either way...Try using the Windows Classic Drivers for now. They're more stable, even if not as fast. However, for playback, neither you or Glen should notice any difference. You'll notice the difference and benefits of ASIO during recording, not playback.

David Jimerson · March 7th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Sometimes changing the project sample rate (default is 44.1K) will help, I've noticed.

Glen Elliott · March 7th, 2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

That's nuts, Mark. Sorry to hear it.
M-Audio has always had super tech support, maybe with the AVID acquisition some things have changed.
Either way...Try using the Windows Classic Drivers for now. They're more stable, even if not as fast. However, for playback, neither you or Glen should notice any difference. You'll notice the difference and benefits of ASIO during recording, not playback.

What is the default "Microsoft Sound Mapper" ....that's different from Windows Classic Drivers correct? Is there a benefit from changing it to "Windows Classic Driver" or "Delta ASIO" if your not recording via inputs on the hardware card rather just editing audio playing back from previously captured footage?

Thank you for the support, much appreciated.

Glen Elliott · March 7th, 2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jimerson

Sometimes changing the project sample rate (default is 44.1K) will help, I've noticed.

I have it set at 48khz by default. I wonder why Vegas defaults to 44khz?...then again that can be it's own thread entirely.

March 7th, 2006, 08:03 PM

The windows mapper refers to whatever card your system is set to use in control panel.. So if its the same as the card you have selected for classic driver than they are exact same thing..

ASIO drivers should provide lower latency..So if you move volume for a track on the fly you should hear it sooner than a legacy windows driver.. Also if you were processing a signal input on the fly you should be able to hear the sound with less delay.. So for plugins which simulate guitar amps you can strike the strings and you SHOULD hear the sound without noticeable lag..

I imagine ASIO has a lot more safeguards in place to prevent drop outs or other audio problems occuring also, but as you have noted and ive seen myself many times, it can be more problematic than anything else if the drivers are badly written..

Just run with whatever works best and you get most productivity out of..

Glen Elliott · March 7th, 2006, 08:56 PM

Thank you all for the insight. I just wanted to ensure that ASIO driver had nothing to do with sound "quality". Apparently it has more to do with playback/recording "performance".

March 6th, 2006, 09:55 PM	#1
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	ASIO making Vegas unstable? Just installed an M-Audio soundcard and M-Audio LX4 monitors and while editing in the last few days Vegas has crashed several times. Usually when I'm clicking around on the timeline with the playhead playing in real-time. The only thing I changed recently was the addition of the M-audio soundcard and changing the settings under "Audio Device" to "M-Audio Delta ASIO". Why would this cause instability? What am I gaining my choosing this setting under "Audio Device"? If nothing- I'll go ahead and change it back to the default "Microsoft Sound Mapper" for the sake of being stable. __________________ Glen Elliott Cord 3 Films

March 6th, 2006, 10:31 PM	#2
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Which M-Audio? Firewire? USB? Hard card? The ASIO drivers are usually the correct drivers. Sometimes, you might need to use Windows Classic, but rarely so. Have you got the latest drivers? M-Audio is fairly famous for constantly changing drivers for new cards for the first few months or so. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 7th, 2006, 11:30 AM	#6
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	That's nuts, Mark. Sorry to hear it. M-Audio has always had super tech support, maybe with the AVID acquisition some things have changed. Either way...Try using the Windows Classic Drivers for now. They're more stable, even if not as fast. However, for playback, neither you or Glen should notice any difference. You'll notice the difference and benefits of ASIO during recording, not playback. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 7th, 2006, 12:25 PM	#7
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Sometimes changing the project sample rate (default is 44.1K) will help, I've noticed. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

March 7th, 2006, 08:56 PM	#11
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Thank you all for the insight. I just wanted to ensure that ASIO driver had nothing to do with sound "quality". Apparently it has more to do with playback/recording "performance". __________________ Glen Elliott Cord 3 Films

March 7th, 2006, 06:04 AM	#4
Mark A. Foley Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bonaire, Ga. Posts: 356	I get occasional crashes (BSOD) after I installed the audiophile 192 card and the m-audio drivers. I had assumed it was probably more to do with conflicts with windows and my system. I guess it is time to address it to m-audio....

March 7th, 2006, 11:05 AM	#5
Mark A. Foley Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Bonaire, Ga. Posts: 356	I called M-Audio Tech support...what a waste of time as I could barely understand the person...and he claimed no one has ever reported a problem such as ours....hmmmmm

March 7th, 2006, 08:03 PM	#10
Guest Posts: n/a	The windows mapper refers to whatever card your system is set to use in control panel.. So if its the same as the card you have selected for classic driver than they are exact same thing.. ASIO drivers should provide lower latency..So if you move volume for a track on the fly you should hear it sooner than a legacy windows driver.. Also if you were processing a signal input on the fly you should be able to hear the sound with less delay.. So for plugins which simulate guitar amps you can strike the strings and you SHOULD hear the sound without noticeable lag.. I imagine ASIO has a lot more safeguards in place to prevent drop outs or other audio problems occuring also, but as you have noted and ive seen myself many times, it can be more problematic than anything else if the drivers are badly written.. Just run with whatever works best and you get most productivity out of..