Help Me Solve This DVD 3.0 Mystery!! at DVinfo.net

Barry Rivadue · February 23rd, 2006, 03:43 PM

I got Movie Studio Platinum Edition, and wanted to try out the DVD Architecture program. I rendered a project at mpeg2 that, when done, showed it to be 3.82 GB. When I inserted it onto the DVD timeline, it mysteriously blossomed into a 5.8 GB file. And the "Optimize" screen said it was a 5.722.0 MB file. Why the conflict? The file runs 2 hours and eight minutes, which should fit on a DVD disc. But it now says it's 122% in content, even though on the Vegas editing timeline it is two hours, eight minutes (which makes sense regarding 3.82 GB). I tried the "fit to disc" thing, but it kept stopping me saying I had too much media. I only have that one file there on the timeline. What should I do to make this 3.82 GB translate into DVD Architecture correctly?

Thanks!

Patrick King · February 23rd, 2006, 04:28 PM

Barry,

Is it possible that the increased size is because the original audio stream was AC3 and the Studio line only renders DVDs with an MPEG-2 layer, and so since Studio has to re-render the audio, the file size increases?

Just a guess. Look at Sony's Comparison here.

Barry Rivadue · February 23rd, 2006, 06:01 PM

Would that mean I'd have to shorten the contents? That seems to be the logical next step.

David Jimerson · February 23rd, 2006, 06:04 PM

Try rendering out from Vegas at a lower bitrate.

Barry Rivadue · February 23rd, 2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Jimerson

Try rendering out from Vegas at a lower bitrate.

How does one do that in Vegas? Where do I start?

Jim Ohair · February 23rd, 2006, 08:22 PM

After you hit optimize hit advanced or fit to disc.
Is the mpeg video only because the sound should be in .wav format
and in the same folder. Fit to disc will change the bitrate to fit.
In the platinum edition you can't adjust the bitrate in Vegas, but you can
in dvd architect.

Edward Troxel · February 23rd, 2006, 09:37 PM

Vegas Movie Studio doesn't allow adjusting the bitrate. Instead, render to DV-AVI and let DVDA Studio render to a proper sized MPEG2.

Dionyssios Chalkias · February 24th, 2006, 03:16 AM

For 2 hours and eight minutes of video with uncompressed (no AC3) audio, a 5.8 GB file seems more realistic to me than a 3.82 GB file...

Edward Troxel · February 24th, 2006, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dionyssios Chalkias

For 2 hours and eight minutes of video with uncompressed (no AC3) audio, a 5.8 GB file seems more realistic to me than a 3.82 GB file...

It all depends on the bitrate used. Both sound realistic to me... depending on the bitrate used.

Barry Rivadue · February 24th, 2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Troxel

It all depends on the bitrate used. Both sound realistic to me... depending on the bitrate used.

Thanks for the help!

Don Donatello · March 5th, 2006, 04:06 PM

i've had this happen a few times in past weeks.
i drop a 2.8gig mpeg into DVD3 = everything is fine ..then at some point creating the DVD,DVD3 says it's a 4.8 gig file ?? .. my menu's add up to .8 gig ... but under optomize it says the mpeg is 4.8 ??
start a new project and same mpeg goes into DVD3 and it reads the mpeg correctly..it seems once DVD3 reads the mpeg size wrong you cannot correct it = start over !!!

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 5th, 2006, 05:27 PM

I too, have had this happen, so what I've done is saved markers, deleted the media from the project, reimport the media, open markers, and continue moving. PITA, but it's worked for me

Dale Paterson · March 6th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Just as a matter of interest:

DVDA has on more than one occasion informed me that my compilation will not fit on a disk of the selected capacity when common sense tells me that there just is not that much footage in my compilation.

My solution - I use DVDA to 'Prepare' only and then use Nero to actually burn the disk. In some cases the difference between Nero's estimate and DVDA's estimate has been huge with Nero's estimate always being less AND correct! And by the way I do not enable Nero's 'Overburn' feature.

I have also (on one occasion at least) had a problem when burning a Dual Layer DVD with DVDA - the DVD stopped at the layer break when played on a set top player and would play no further. I then used DVDA to 'Prepare' only (without making any changes whatsoever), burned with Nero, and the resulting DVD played with no further problems.

While I really hate using anything but Vegas and DVDA sometimes you really have no choice.

Regards,

Dale.

Barry Rivadue · March 6th, 2006, 02:08 PM

I'm kind of relieved that this curious situation has been shared by such esteemed company, and that my computer isn't acting strange.

I never seem to get Nero to find my video files, but that's another story. ;D

February 23rd, 2006, 03:43 PM	#1
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Help Me Solve This DVD 3.0 Mystery!! I got Movie Studio Platinum Edition, and wanted to try out the DVD Architecture program. I rendered a project at mpeg2 that, when done, showed it to be 3.82 GB. When I inserted it onto the DVD timeline, it mysteriously blossomed into a 5.8 GB file. And the "Optimize" screen said it was a 5.722.0 MB file. Why the conflict? The file runs 2 hours and eight minutes, which should fit on a DVD disc. But it now says it's 122% in content, even though on the Vegas editing timeline it is two hours, eight minutes (which makes sense regarding 3.82 GB). I tried the "fit to disc" thing, but it kept stopping me saying I had too much media. I only have that one file there on the timeline. What should I do to make this 3.82 GB translate into DVD Architecture correctly? Thanks!

February 23rd, 2006, 04:28 PM	#2
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	Barry, Is it possible that the increased size is because the original audio stream was AC3 and the Studio line only renders DVDs with an MPEG-2 layer, and so since Studio has to re-render the audio, the file size increases? Just a guess. Look at Sony's Comparison here. __________________ Fear No Weevil!

February 23rd, 2006, 06:04 PM	#4
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Try rendering out from Vegas at a lower bitrate. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

February 23rd, 2006, 09:37 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Vegas Movie Studio doesn't allow adjusting the bitrate. Instead, render to DV-AVI and let DVDA Studio render to a proper sized MPEG2. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 5th, 2006, 05:27 PM	#12
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I too, have had this happen, so what I've done is saved markers, deleted the media from the project, reimport the media, open markers, and continue moving. PITA, but it's worked for me __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

February 23rd, 2006, 06:01 PM	#3
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Would that mean I'd have to shorten the contents? That seems to be the logical next step.

February 23rd, 2006, 08:22 PM	#6
Jim Ohair Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, California Posts: 62	After you hit optimize hit advanced or fit to disc. Is the mpeg video only because the sound should be in .wav format and in the same folder. Fit to disc will change the bitrate to fit. In the platinum edition you can't adjust the bitrate in Vegas, but you can in dvd architect.

February 24th, 2006, 03:16 AM	#8
Dionyssios Chalkias Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 64	For 2 hours and eight minutes of video with uncompressed (no AC3) audio, a 5.8 GB file seems more realistic to me than a 3.82 GB file...

March 5th, 2006, 04:06 PM	#11
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	i've had this happen a few times in past weeks. i drop a 2.8gig mpeg into DVD3 = everything is fine ..then at some point creating the DVD,DVD3 says it's a 4.8 gig file ?? .. my menu's add up to .8 gig ... but under optomize it says the mpeg is 4.8 ?? start a new project and same mpeg goes into DVD3 and it reads the mpeg correctly..it seems once DVD3 reads the mpeg size wrong you cannot correct it = start over !!!

March 6th, 2006, 01:43 PM	#13
Dale Paterson Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 200	Just as a matter of interest: DVDA has on more than one occasion informed me that my compilation will not fit on a disk of the selected capacity when common sense tells me that there just is not that much footage in my compilation. My solution - I use DVDA to 'Prepare' only and then use Nero to actually burn the disk. In some cases the difference between Nero's estimate and DVDA's estimate has been huge with Nero's estimate always being less AND correct! And by the way I do not enable Nero's 'Overburn' feature. I have also (on one occasion at least) had a problem when burning a Dual Layer DVD with DVDA - the DVD stopped at the layer break when played on a set top player and would play no further. I then used DVDA to 'Prepare' only (without making any changes whatsoever), burned with Nero, and the resulting DVD played with no further problems. While I really hate using anything but Vegas and DVDA sometimes you really have no choice. Regards, Dale.

March 6th, 2006, 02:08 PM	#14
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	I'm kind of relieved that this curious situation has been shared by such esteemed company, and that my computer isn't acting strange. I never seem to get Nero to find my video files, but that's another story. ;D