I'm changed to Edius from Premier about a year ago. I love it. Specially now, when support the HD100 100%

Laszlo

I think we're about to try it using the AJA xenaLH card with version2. it should be supported...

JVC in PPro 2
 

Yes - it works natively in PPro 2. However, I would strongly suggest anyone using Vegas 6 or Premiere Pro 2 to buy either Aspect or Connect software from Cineform. You can then capture the files as 4:2:2 .avi files and work in multi-stream realtime in either app. If you have the Xena card you can capture files from ANY HD camera as 10 bit 4:2:2 files in Premiere Pro using Prospect, the "pro" Cineform add on and then cut your project as 10 bit for pristine graphics etc.

The other cool thing about the Propect/Xena thing is you can capture the 8 bit 4:2:2 feed right out of the JVC's component out direct to disk and convert to 10 bit on the fly - bypassing the HDV format! This the method we plan on our next feature. You can also capture the 60p feed out of the JVC as 60fps via Xena for true slow-mo!

Sorry to sound like a Cineform commercial, but I've tested their stuff extensively and it's just awesome! Their .avi's perform much better than native HDV files and I can cut, color correct etc. as fast as a DV project.

Lance

Which Xena Card?
 

Lance,

You see very well versed in things Cineform, Aja and Adobe. So hopefully you can help with the following question.

I'm a bit confused by the Aja lexicon, the HS, the LH and so forth. As I recall, PP 2.0 supports the HS only -- supposedly. On the other hand, Prospect HD supports the LH. Forgive me if I've slightly mixed up the nomenclature, but I'm sure you know which products I'm referring to.

Adding to the conundrum is that the HS is much less money, but doesn't have analog component inputs. What would you recommend?

What if I can't afford Prospect but want to enable Aspect HD to output 4:2:2 8-bit SDI for mastering to D-5, etc.? Iinput could still be HDV 4:2:0 footage via firewire.

My system is dual twin-core Opteron 275 currently with 4 x 500 GB array and 4 Gigs of RAM. I am about to install Aspect 4.0 and the full Production Studio. My camera is HD100 and I have the BR-HD50 deck. I also have the Addenda serial control cable which I understand should work with the PP 2.0 install.

Thanks very much for any clarification you can offer!

Tip

Cineform
 

Yeah the new cards from AJA are confusing, more so because of the whole PCIe vs. PCI-X slot thing and the fact that you need the version with component connection for JVC live capture. I know Cineform is working to qualify all necessary cards - I would contact them directly for up to the minute info concerning PPro 2 and the right card for Prospect and your hardware.

Keep in mind, you don't need the card if you are shooting to tape - only if you plan on capturing via component outputs of JVC 100. Aspect 4 works fine and fully supports 8 bit 4:2:2 capture right from the camera via firewire or via the JVC deck. You can monitor the HD signal via DVI to a widescreen LCD or add a Quadro 540 with component breakout box for true HD viewing while editing etc. You can always render your final product and firewire drive it to tape on another system.

Sounds like you have a great system - good luck with your projects!

Lance

PS - Since you'll probably have to deliver a 1920x1080 master, take a look at Algolith plug-ins (www.algolith.com). Just tested uprezzing Cineform/JVC footage - also used the noise reduction filter - insanely great results, but 15 sec. a frame render on my Intel 840 system. Should go quicker on your AMD monster system.

Beside that going from digital to analog to digital again scares me, how can you have 4:2:2 ? May be the format is 4:2:2 but it is artificial in my opinion. Once the tape has been recorded in 4:2:0 information is lost and you may playback and capture in 4:2:2 but I don't see how you can re-create that information.

Regards
Gabriele

4:2:0 to 4:2:2
 

Gabriele,

I know that this sounds suspiciously like hocus pocus, but it's actually a really cool capability.

Let me take a shot at saving Lance the time to reply to this very good question. The short answer is that going from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 is just line-doubling of the chroma data.

First, let me describe what 4:2:0 is. Basically, odd and even lines have the same chroma information. But like 4:2:2 both have half the horizontal resolution of the luma. So in the vertical axis, chroma gradients change half as often as luma gradients.

So if the chroma channels, but not the luma, are line doubled which is a very mature form of interpolation and pretty much perfected, color gradients will have the proper intermediate steps on the lines that had duplicate chroma data. It would also double the number of "stairsteps" on diagonals with large chroma differences.

I'm sure there's a bit of fancy footwork required if there is a sharp jump in chroma data that really falls between the doubled lines but is scrambled by the initial 4:2:0 encoding. But most fine detail is carried in the luma channel, and furthermore this problem would require a nearly perfect horizontal color line, so this is probably not a big issue.

From everything I've read on various forums, this evidently works quite well, which is not surprising as the technology of line doubling is very mature.

Tip

4:2:2
 

Gabriele,

The component outputs on the JVC bypass any HDV encoding and is a true 720p 4:2:2 8 bit feed - this is different from capturing to tape and converting to 4:2:2 intermediate format.

The new Canon has HD-SDI out which is also 8 bit 4:2:2 at 1080i - bypassing HDV format completely. You are really using these cameras as imaging devices and capturing the true HD .avi's to a hard drive - ready to edit. It works, I've seen it and cut, color timed the files!

A recent test I attended in Hollywood revealed that these live captured Cineform files keyed better than f900 HDCAM files that were recorded to tape! At one tenth the price!

Lance

But which Aja Xena model
 

I'm in a similar situation preparing for a studio shoot, and I can't decipher the Aja Xena cards.

HS - SDI in/out, PP2 Native support. Full Cineform support. No Component or breakout box available.

LH(e) - SDI and Component in/out, plus optional breakout box. Cineform support in progress. But this card is for After Effects, not Premiere.

So if I get ProspectHD AND the LH, once Cineform is updated, what kind of performance will I get with Premiere? I want to use Premiere 2.0 and After Effects with Prospect HD. I have no need for SDI, but I do need a component in/out for capture and TV playback.

Decklink makes more sense to me. I just can't afford the required hard drive for uncompressed HD (720p), and there will be some need for uncompressed SD.

PPro 2.0 + Aspect 4.0 Capture Issues
 

I just got Aspect HD 4.0 with PPro2.0, shooting 24P and have been unable to capture within PPro--getting mondo dropouts. Using HDLink, it doesn't work either--dropouts again.... unless I capture in .m2t, then manually convert to .avi with HDLink.

I think maybe my CPU/hard drive is too slow to convert and store on the fly, although I'm using a SATA drive. It is a 2.8ghz P4 with 2GB PC3200 ram. My config about matches the minimum recommended system.

I don't see any way to improve this situation short of getting a faster computer. (I've tried disabling all the memory resident software na running only HDLink). Love the camera though! Anybody know anything tricky I might try to get a straight capture to avi?

By the way, I have captured some test green screen video and plopped it into Ultra 2, and WOW. Ultra 2 likes HDV. I had to make no adjustments to get an almost perfect chroma key. I am astounded.

Premiere pro 2.0 HDV caputre problems
 

Any 2.o users having problems with capturing HDV using the br-50 deck?
Every time I open the capture window i get Capture device offline. It does DV fine...but not HDV. So much for "native" HDV editing.

I am considering buying PP2 to edit with - are you having the same problems while digitizing with the camera itself (if you have tried)?

I'm quite interested....

John

evilgeniusentertainment.com

Adobe Premier Support
 

Hi David,

Have you contacted your reseller for support? An authorized reseller should be able to get help for you through JVC Pro's Sales Engineers and Customer Care Center.

Also: Have you contacted Adobe for support?

Regards, Carl

Well let me try to go into more detail without boring anyone too much.
I have a dual 3.2 dell with all the bells and whistles. I bought Premiere 2.0 and the jvc hd-100U and br-50 deck package from B&H. I can capture dv fine but when I open a HDV project and go to capture it says capure device offline.

I tried hooking up the camera and I got the same message. I did notice that when I tried to select the device control and looked for the JVC deck it was not an option. But chosing the "alternate 1 " choice would control the deck in dv mode. Adobe was not sure why that choice was unavailable...they said it was a JVC issue and they did not have any updates for new decks. Maybe you could help me with that one Carl. Anyway PP2 works great with standard DV but its Native HDV has some issues.

By the way I loaded the Cineform HD program and it does not reckognize the
capure device as well.

Thanks in advance for any help you all can give me

Get Aspect HD
 

Although as you know it' s not the only way to work with HDV in Premiere, Aspect still seems to me to be the best. I use the BR-HD50 with Aspect and it gives me good deck control and good capture. I haven't really tried the "native" HDV (non-Aspect) option but from what I've heard, Aspect is still the ticket.

One thing I learned, don't bother with the Addenda-type serial cable. It gives me control over the deck, except capture doesn't work.

Tip

Adobe Premier Support
 

Hi David,

I do not know much about capture or editing with Premier. My background is more in Avid land.

Anyone out there a Premier Pro expert?

How about B&H's support?

David, one question I would have for you is do you have an "A" version GY-HD100U camera? If not, then you should get your camera upgraded, which is a free service that JVC is offering thru July 31st. Some of the improvements involve better control interface with various NLE's. If you do need to upgrade your camera, ask our service dept to check out the firewire connection to make sure it's good in the HDV mode.

Here's the link to the upgrade website. This gives you the all of the info needed to get the upgrade.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/special/HD100...00upgrade.html

Regards, Carl

Thanks Carl...I do have the A version...I have not tried to capture since I got it back. I will do it tonight and report.

I just tried it and still a no go.

Your problem feels like Window's HDV FireWire drive may not be loaded or working. Try looking at the CineForm help site where they discuss how to check and fix this.

David,

My email is in my profile, contact me and I will give you my phone number directly. I'm using the same JVC camera/deck with PPro 2 in a working production workflow without a hitch. It works very well for the most part. By phone we can walk you through a checklist of items to be sure you are setup correctly. We can cover more ground in less time this way. Then maybe you can come back and share your findings here in case others run into the same issue.

And Tip is dead on regarding Aspect HD, I know it's another chunky little investment but it's worth every penny considering your (our) hardware/workflow. We realized this fact early on after purchasing our camera and pushing through our first project.

Look forward to hearing from you.

I have no problems capturing HDV with Premiere Pro 2.0 and I'm not using any plug-in. I just connect the camera to the fire-wire and windows recognize it as a DV device. It's funny that it used to reconize the camera as a JVC device... not anymore since I upgraded my hardware and reinstaled windows. Do you have all your drivers and windows updated?

Thanks Daniel I will call you when I get off of work for my day job.
And Diogo...I will look into the windows drivers issues as well.

Capturing in Premiere Pro 2, with GY-HD100U "A"
 

Hello Dvinfo community,

My question is regarding a problem I’m having with Capturing HDV video clips in Adobe Premiere Pro 2.0, using the JVC GY-HD100U “A” version.

The video clips I’m capturing are in 24p HDV and 30p HDV. I’m using an updated version of Windows XP, and a Radeon x850 xt pe graphics card, with the latest Catalyst drivers for it. I’m using the firewire from the cam to the firewire on my motherboard (asus p4c800 deluxe mobo).

I can’t preview the video on my CRT monitor while the capture is in process. All I see on the screen in Premiere Pro 2.0 are the words… “Capturing…” with a black background behind it. In order to actually see the video I’m capturing during the capturing process I have to use the tiny LCD screen on the camera. Which is functional, but not very fun to do. However, I can see a preview in Premiere when I use a little DV cam I bought about 6 years ago (Sony TRV320).

I think this must be a settings problem within Adobe Premiere Pro V2.0, but I can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong.

I’m a noob by the way, so go easy on me. I’ve only had the camera for 2 weeks, and the program for even less than that… lol.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Michael Steeves
nfbshotmatch@hotmail.com

Same here...
 

I have the same situation, but no answers.

Martin Wellhoefer

Do you have two monitors set up or just one? I know if may seem like a silly question, but I've had this happen in an ppro 1.5. if the capture window was on the the second monitor, I couldn't see anything... but when I moved it over to the first monitor I could. give it a try....

Hello DJ,
No, I only have the one monitor hooked up to my computer, and it's selected as the primary monitor in the display section of my properties.
Thanks
Michael

One step backwards....
 

Having worked with PP2 for some time now, I have never found any way to get it to display video in the capture window while capturing. It does play video there while searching (playing or shuttling) but once you hit the capture button, it sends the picture to the external monitor.

If there is no picture in the capture window, why even have it? And to add to the aggravation, of course PP 1.5 did display there during capture.

Hopefully there are two steps forward somewhere to make up for this one step backward.

Tip

Capturing HDV
 

Hey there,
No you can't preview the footage in the capture window while capurting, that would take too much processing power. What you can do, is connect your camera's component outputs to the CRT monitor for previewing while capturing. If it's a standard resolution monitor just go into the camera's menus and change the output resolution from "Native" to 480I (US) or PAL (EU) so that you get a down convert, that way you can watch the camera outputting on your monitor while capturing, it's the only way for now

Ben Jehoshua
www.imagelinemedia.com

One question on HD100 recording ?
 

Hi, I wish to know can I record in 24p in DV mode on HD100 where by I can get the slight juddery film motion/look/feel in recording & can also edit on Stardard Editing machi9nes like on Matrox RTx100 systems in Prem 6.5 & then finally burn DVDs of the events. I am an event videographer & was curious to buy a HD100 to get better 16:9 filmy video.

Looking for insight on the subject.

Looking out for answers .....

Yes- you can record 24p or 24p"a" in standard def DV mode on the HD100 if you choose.

Hi Again, Is there any newver update to HD100 cming out soon as I am in process to order One very soon so i better wait & watch if any new varient is on its way !!!

2 new upgrade models are coming in Oct 2006
Here is a chart to show differences.
http://www.snipurl.com/jvccomparison

Hey RAM.

Thx, seems like HD250 would become my choice esp cox of the inbuilt sturdy AB mount ... i will be able to use my FS3 in SD mode recording.

Well i have to save & wait a bit more to earn this camera !!!

Still I feel paying the double amount for an inbuilt AB Mount & few other 60p capabilities (NTSC) or 50p (PAL) is way too much ... :(

HD 24p Premiere Pro 2 into Encore 2 DVD work flow
 

Hi All,
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this post, sorry if it's OT....

Using the JVC hd 100, I am looking for info about shooting in HD24p for DVD publishing using Adobe Video Suite.
Mostly I need to know if this is possible. I need to publish in SD 24p 16:9 now, and when HD DVD is available re-publish in HD 24p.

Or should I stay away from the 24p and shoot in 30p? I really like the slower frame rate for this project so if there is anyway to get the 24p onto DVD I am interested in the work flow.

Any help would be great, this is my first project with the camera and I don't want to end up with footage I can't publish to DVD using Adobe software.

Thank you for your time,
Jon

Jon,


We do it on a regular basis with the HD100 and Premiere Pro 2. 24P editing in both SD and HD works fine, and DVD authoring in SD 24P also works as it should.

Peace!

Hi Daniel,
I'm a little fuzzy with your reply.
Can I shoot/edit in HD 24p (AspectHD codex), then transcode to SD 24p 16:9 for the DVD? Do I transcode in Ppro 2 or Encore 2?
Right now I'm using Ppro 1.5 with AspectHD for capture, but plan on upgrading to Ppro2 and Encore DVD 2 for the project.
Thanks again for your time,
Jon

Jon,

The workflow you mentioned will work perfectly. You can transcode either in PPro using Adobe Media Encoder or in Encore.

best regards

Great, thanks!
One less thing to worry about :-)
Jon

HDV down conversion via Premiere Pro 1.5
 

...is this possible?
Not a major issue as I will soon migrate to FCP on a mac (currently awaiting any possible iMac upgrade over the next couple of weeks). However, in the meantime it would be nice to know I could shoot some HDV (25p) and down convert it using this program (as far as I'm aware you cannot down convert from the camera itself?).
Sorry if this has already been covered...I've searched back a few pages and nothing was apparent.

Many thanks.

Yes, you can.