Premiere Pro CS3 capture
 

I downloaded the trial and i can't get it to capture footage. There is also no presets for HDV 24p.

Does anybody use PP CS3 as their main editing software yet? I know it was released no too long ago.

thanks

mg

I think there is no HDV (MPEG-2) support in the Trial.

You probably can download a 15 day trial version of Cineform Aspect to edit HDV.

ProHD, DR-HD100 and Adobe Premiere Pro CS3?
 

Hi all!

Great board, great resource!

I am buying Sam Druckerman's HD100 from him and I am so looking forward to trying this camera out! Thanks Sam!

Anyway, I am used to editing in Premiere - It's what I learned on and while I have hated it over time, apparently CS3 is much improved and a really nice application to work with.

My question is, how well does it work with these JVC camera's? I am picking up the focus enhancements DR-HD100 to go with it and I see there are a lot of options/formats to choose from and I am just wondering if anyone has any tips/tricks for me within an Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 environment.

Thanks in advance!

www.cineform.com

You will most likely have to use Aspect v.5 for PPro to edit in HDV on anything but the fastest computer.

Cheers.

I'm *hoping* to get this one job done for a client right away here that will let me build a 4 gig of ram quad core Intel monster that I hope will do well at editing HDV. Currently I am using an X2 3800+ with a gig of ram.. gonna throw another gig at it this weekend and I will have to check out aspect now as well.

I've been doing some work with a local producer here and he swears by Edius. He uses a realtime card at the moment (Canopus card I believe) and he wants to switch to HDV (another JVC fan who currently uses 5 DV500's). He was asking me about real time cards and HDV.. I don't know enough about it to comment really. Any suggestions or ideas in that regard?

Julian

The main thing about HDV is that on some systems you may need an intermediate codec to help with the long GOP splicing. In the case of Ppro it is Cineform. Edius has there own Canopus codec as well as Apple (Pro res) and Avid (DNxHD). Avid Liquid is the only true native MPEG 2 edit system that demuxes m2t onto m2v. Dual cores are cheap now and if you get a good graphics card with Open GL, a drive array on Raid 0, then you can edit in realtime. You mentioned Avid Liquid... that uses background rendering a lot. But on most systems it is the intermediate that is doing most of the work...

As for realtime cards like the Matrox RX2 and Axio, I think they help with output and downconversion of HDV timelines along with multiple streams of HD editing.

I edit on Avid Xpress Media Composer and Liquid. So my knowledge of other editing systems is what I've gleaned from these boards. You might spend some time on the editing forums to get a good view of everything.

FCP is perfectly capable of editing HDV natively. You can choose to use ProRes or uncompressed (or many other codecs) as the render codec in an open timeline but you can actually cut native if you wish and if the machine is fast enough. Edius captures mpeg but all renders are to the HQ codec. Liquid works well natively and with an uncompressed render codec. Avid Xpress Pro, MC and Symph only support HDV1 at 30fps and that support is very weak indeed with far less efficient use of processor power compared to a similar spec machine running Edius, Liquid or FCP. The same is true for Avid's HDV2 support on the traditional machines, so most user prefer to transcode to the appropriate DNx flavour for ease of use. Many Avid editors are quick to dismiss mpeg for native acquisition and editing because they haven't seen what the competition can do.

I use Premiere Pro CS2 and edit HDV natively. I have used cineform, which is good and I reccommend it, for it is a great codec with many uses even beyond premiere pro. I have used FCP, and Avid. I think premiere is better than them all. I love the ability of the production studio to move around photoshop, after effects, audition, etc, quickly and seamlessly and I hear it's even better in CS3.

I just finished a 20 minute piece for a large coffee company, and the only issue I had with HDV was that when the project would load it would take a long time, like 10 minutes to complete loading. After that it worked great. When I first edited HDV, with a friend's JVC I had sync issues, but I think that was a camera problem as he started getting issues in FCP with it. But after I bought my own HD100, I have been able to capture and edit with no issues.

Canopus and Matrox both make good systems, but I have found that with the effects I use, money is better spent on hardware--storage, ram, processor and video card.

Boy, looking at the adobe user forums and other places, it looks like CS3 doesn't even support 24p out of the box. That is insane. So do I want to buy that (upgrade for me at least) and then cineform.. not at all. Makes no sense to me that it isn't supported.

Time to look at other options I think.

My goodness, what NLE's support JVC's 24p out of the box?

Julian

FCP definitely. I believe Liquid and Edius also now support it officially. Can anyone confirm?

Yes Liquid and GV Edius have 720/24p presets.

Stopped using premier after more than 10 years. Using Edius on our facility's 5 edit suites. Editing is stable. Presets for 24P are available. I have HD100 and have edited a theatre projected material at 720P using WMV via procoder.

I shot and edited a music video in HDV24p native on premiere pro cs2. No problems. Download the presets:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...jsp?ftpID=3409

tup

Can you use these presets in CS3 I wonder?

I called Adobe today and what a nightmare that was. The guy told me that 24P is old and no longer supported. After I explained to him that he didn't know what he was talking about, he agreed it probably would be supported in an update "later on" but told me there was no-one there that I could talk to who would know anything about it. Mind boggling. I want to get into After Effects later on and thought it would be nice to stick with a product I already know (Premiere) but what's the point really?

A local producer I work with at times extols the virtues of Edius 4 and told me I should go with that. I think I am going to have to check it all out a bit more and maybe I will go that route.

Crazy isn't it?

Julian

I also use Cineform with Premiere Pro. Had to upgrade my Cineform when I upgraded to CS3 as well. It makes editing of JVC HD 24P very smooth on a good system. I wish Adobe didn't drop the ball on this, but they did. Don't know how a company with that much money and solid products can do stuff like this. Premiere Pro has alot of potential but with stuff like this it makes it harder to recommend to other people.

BTW CS3 is barely an upgrade from CS2, it's not even worthy of a .5 upgrade

I agree Dennis. From what I have read it seems they put all their efforts into bringing it to the Macintosh platform with this release. I just wish they wouldn't bugger things up that work from one revision to the next or at least acknowledge and fix it if they do.

I am going to have to have a hard look at Edius and other options.

I changed from Premiere to Edius 3 two years ago. Now version 4.51 and I can't be happier.
Right now I editing 24p wedding, two camera shoot, big project. Work great. No sinc issues no problem at all, just smoooooth and stable. Everything realtime.
I know you will be happy. You can download the free 30 days trial version.

Laszlo

cineform in to premiere is good for poor pcs.
a dualcore 2.13 with 2 g ram is very well to editing with premiere 2 hdv 24p native, Presets the adobe and jvc is very good.
Avi capturated whit a cineform, edit to a premiere, exported m2t for dvd = no good quality.
Is my opinion.
If yo computer is slow machine, cineform is excelent for edit hdv into premiere.

Also with the JVC 110U I've gotten the monitoring aspect and recording to work for 24P HDV, however importing it into Premiere CS3, the video and audio are off sync.

Exporting from Premiere CS3 for 100/110
 

Hi all,

I went for broke and picked up a quad core system that unfortunately can only run Vista (slipstreaming XP didn't even work).

I can't afford Cineform at the moment and to be honest the computer edits HDV very nicely.

I'm trying to figure out the export options for CS3 though. I tried them all and none of them seem very spectacular. I want to keep the footage as good as possible (Shot in HD 30fps seeing as CS3 no longer supports 24fps with our camera for some strange reason). Exporting to mpeg2 seems to make the most sense as these are .m2t files in the first place but when I try it seems fairly crappy.

I tried asking on the Premiere forum but no luck getting a response.

Thanks in advance,

Julian

Try exporting to HuffYUV 2.1, (2.2 crashed windows explorer)

google it, and install it. Great, fast, lossless codec. Filesize will be fairly big. I edited a music video in 24p in cs2, is that right for cs3?

tup

Thanks I will give it a try! Much appreciated! I was just doing a test render in Vegas (which funnily enough seems to have some sort of cineform built in) but I didn't relish the thought of learning another editing application.

Julian

Awesome! I just tried this and while the file sizes are huge.. the output is (obviously) as good as the original.. and it works on Vista! (Which I hate but can't build a slipstream XP install for this acer quad core machine but that's another story).

Most excellent thank you! I haven't used this stuff in years :P I'm going to have to re-learn some avisynth stuff in the future too I thin!

Julian

I spoke too soon.. for some reason the footage is out of sync in Prem CS3. Plays fine everywhere else; open it up and drop it on the timeline in CS3 and it's out of sync.. driving me insane!

It's "only" CS3 that creates audio sync issues.. I tried vegas as well as playing the file back in windows media player and nero showtime.

All I did was import the clip directly from my hard drive, no editing, just try to play it from the timeline and it is out of sync.

*Any* suggestions would be very welcome!

Julian

I've had sync issues with hdv, I think premeire hates mpeg audio. I usually separate the audio and video. Here's what the wiki says:

I've found several instances where Premiere did not favor my mpeg format and I got no sound though I thought it should be OK. I ended up running those files through MpegStreamclip (free download), outputing a ts file, renaming the file to .m2t, importing into Premiere, and everything worked fine. I've also found this great for fixing those little timecode problems that Premiere can't deal with.

I've used mpegstreamclip before too and it works well. You may also try deleting the conformed audio files. This sync issue is why people use cineform.

tup

Very strange, I separated the audio and video and the audio is longer (in premiere only).. it has to be a premiere cs3 hating mpeg audio as you say. I think I am going to record in quicktime to the firestore and see if that solves the problem. Something to do tomorrow now :)

Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it!

Julian

Editing with Premiere CS3 and Vista?
 

Well, I figured a quad core would make editing HDV a wonderful thing. Unfortunately I can't slipstream the Intel SATA drivers on an XP install CD for this machine so I am stuck with Vista (which imho is nowhere near ready for prime time for editing or a lot of other things for that matter).

Is there *anyone* on here who edits footage shot on the JVC (in HD) on a computer running Vista and Premiere CS3?

I have a few apps installed to try and *none* of the others have problems. Switch over to Premiere CS3 and the audio is *always* out of sync. It's beyond frustrating and unfortunately I am past the point of return for the computer as well.

Love to hear from anyone who has Premiere CS3 working with our cameras in Vista.

Julian

Finally got it all sorted. I've given up on 24fps and gone to 30fps and Premiere works just fine with it. I can only *hope* that Adobe supports this at some point later on but in the meantime at least I can stop messing about with it all and get down to some editing finally.

I would go learn another application if I didn't have so much time and energy invested in Premiere but what can you do.

Sony Vegas looks *very* nice from what I have done with testing in the last couple of weeks and seems to have some sort of Cineform codec built right in!

Once I get a couple of these realtor videos out the door I can damage my credit card again and get Cineform for Premiere. Although, I have to say that Premiere handles HDV on a quad core with 3 gigs of ram no problem.. then again I suppose it should with that kind of hardware thrown at it :)

Thanks for letting me rant and rave over the last couple of weeks without commenting :P

Julian

yep, 24p hdv in cs3 looks like a no go for now. I'm editing HDV on my laptop, its a core2duo with 2 gigs of ram and windows vista home premium, and it works like a champ. Vegas works flawlessly for 24p hdv.

Yeah a few more hours with it tonight and I must say it is very good. I am amazed that I am able to edit so quickly and easily. I was really concerned I would have to buy Cineform as I really can't afford it right now.

What are you using for output settings by the way? I like to encode to DVD from another (non Adobe) application and I have been playing with different ways to output the final edited content. Huffy (as suggested to me in another forum) is pretty decent but I am always interested in what other peoples work flows are.

Julian

Went back to 30fps and all is well again (sync issues gone) although now I am getting com errors when I try to view the output huffyuv file. I did some searching and found information regarding Nero (I use lite so no problem there) and to be honest I am stumped.

I am playing around with all the export options in CS3 now and will settle on something soon. I am going to have to save up and get cineform.. I was all set to do it (more major damage to the credit card) when I got a nasty bill for $700 for brakes for the car..

Onwards and upwards we go :)

Yes, save up for CineForm, works great, good workflow!
Jon

To be honest, aside from output (and the main concept mpeg encoder isn't too bad to be honest) my machine flies while editing native HDV so I might just pass on it completely. Quad core makes it absolutely fly!