Nested Sequences Slow Down Premiere! at DVinfo.net

Mike Shkolnik · September 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM

I was editing just fine until I decided to bring the master sequence into a "super master" sequence so I could crop the frame (just cropped, not zoomed). Unfortunately, after I did this the Premiere interface slowed down dramatically. Sometimes when I click on something I have to wait over a minute for my cursor to move again! It dramatically slows down the eidting process when you have to wait for a minute between almost every click! I tried closing the super master sequence but that didn't help. Only when I deleted it did things return to normal. I am able to repeat the problem. I have seen on forums that this is simply a problem with Premiere Pro. I was wondering if anyone has found any workarounds to maybe at least disconnect the nested sequence temporarily without having to delete it.

Thanks,

-Mike

Marco Wagner · September 9th, 2005, 07:16 PM

Could you post some computer specs?

Could you also tell us how much footage you have on both sequences?

:)

Mike Shkolnik · September 9th, 2005, 09:20 PM

WindowsXP, Pentium 4 3.2 (Prescott), 2 gigs RAM.

19 minutes of video in the timeline.

Jeff Miller · December 5th, 2005, 02:11 PM

Mike,
I too noticed this prob. The wait does not seem to be as long, only a couple seconds on switching sequences, still a bit of a pain though. No idea with the fix is, instead I revamped my workflow so I don't need to change sequences as often.

My project is a hours long on a 2.4ghz /w 2gig ram

Joshua Provost · December 5th, 2005, 02:25 PM

I nest sequences all the time, sometimes two or three deep, and haven't had a problem. Actually, I do the exact same thing as you, with a "letterbox" sequence to preview what it will look like when I crop 16:9 down to 2.35:1 and such. No problems. This is on a P4 2.8GHz w/ 1GB RAM.

Perhaps the "standard" slowness fix is in order: deleted the "preview" and "conform" directories and loading the project up again?

Pete Bauer · December 5th, 2005, 04:13 PM

I noticed this too. Things I tried that seemed to help were:
- to make sure that I had done a preview render in any clips within a nested (subordinate) sequence that had substantial effects applied
-and definitely I found that closing nested sequences that I wasn't actually working on sped up the master sequence. In other words, to work on the master, you don't need the nested sequences open, or displayed in the monitor window.

In my case, the time delay ranged from just barely noticeable to whatever it took do a fresh render on those high-demand effects, depending on circumstances.

Ben Winter · December 6th, 2005, 09:14 AM

I find it super-annoying that I've rendered the preview of a sequence in the sequence itself, yet when I drag it into another sequence, it feels the need to render it again. It's the same thing!! There are a multitude of other situations (I think you all could point out examples) where Premiere's selection of what needs to be rendered is sooo ineffecient.

Rob Brookes · February 1st, 2006, 04:21 PM

I too have searched and searched for the answer to nested sequences and there many problems. It eather works on your computer or it does not. I personally can make the nested sequences work but once the project gets over 40 to 50 minutes long forget about it. There must be a coding problem that is wrong in premiere because the entire program just gets unstable in big projects. Use edius has been my answer, at least its stable.

Peter Ferling · February 1st, 2006, 07:28 PM

One thing you can check for is how you have the timelines displayed (set display style), it can make a difference if you have "show frames" vs. "show names only". All those 'croutons' have to be refreshed after the frames are read.

Chris Barcellos · February 1st, 2006, 08:20 PM

Is this 2.0 or 1.51 ?

Mike Shkolnik · February 2nd, 2006, 01:20 AM

1.51. Premiere Pro 2.0 did not exist when I posted in September...

Eric Holloway · February 2nd, 2006, 10:19 AM

One thing you guys might want to check is if your virus program is running. I was having some "lagging" problems when working in Premiere 1.5 and I disabled my virus program and viola, it doesn't lag anymore.

Give this a try.

Eric

Rob Brookes · February 2nd, 2006, 03:27 PM

I do not have virus protection on my pc as I was aware of the issue. I will try the timeline trick mentioned though, disabling the frames on timelines but most of all I have tried everything. I can render the 1hour and 30 minute weddign videos that I make but when it comes time to make movie to a avi the output of the avi stops before completion. I even had a technician who built my computer look at it and he said that it is a premiere problem. Can anyone else here make movie of a nested sequence that is over an hour long and with guaranteed success. Please, if you have anymore suggestions it would be great.

September 4th, 2005, 08:08 PM	#1
Mike Shkolnik Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 42	Nested Sequences Slow Down Premiere! I was editing just fine until I decided to bring the master sequence into a "super master" sequence so I could crop the frame (just cropped, not zoomed). Unfortunately, after I did this the Premiere interface slowed down dramatically. Sometimes when I click on something I have to wait over a minute for my cursor to move again! It dramatically slows down the eidting process when you have to wait for a minute between almost every click! I tried closing the super master sequence but that didn't help. Only when I deleted it did things return to normal. I am able to repeat the problem. I have seen on forums that this is simply a problem with Premiere Pro. I was wondering if anyone has found any workarounds to maybe at least disconnect the nested sequence temporarily without having to delete it. Thanks, -Mike

September 9th, 2005, 07:16 PM	#2
Marco Wagner Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Saint Cloud, Florida Posts: 1,043	Could you post some computer specs? Could you also tell us how much footage you have on both sequences? :) __________________ www.facebook.com/projectspecto

December 5th, 2005, 02:11 PM	#4
Jeff Miller Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 227	Mike, I too noticed this prob. The wait does not seem to be as long, only a couple seconds on switching sequences, still a bit of a pain though. No idea with the fix is, instead I revamped my workflow so I don't need to change sequences as often. My project is a hours long on a 2.4ghz /w 2gig ram __________________ (insert long list of expensive stuff)

December 5th, 2005, 02:25 PM	#5
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	I nest sequences all the time, sometimes two or three deep, and haven't had a problem. Actually, I do the exact same thing as you, with a "letterbox" sequence to preview what it will look like when I crop 16:9 down to 2.35:1 and such. No problems. This is on a P4 2.8GHz w/ 1GB RAM. Perhaps the "standard" slowness fix is in order: deleted the "preview" and "conform" directories and loading the project up again? __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

December 5th, 2005, 04:13 PM	#6
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	I noticed this too. Things I tried that seemed to help were: - to make sure that I had done a preview render in any clips within a nested (subordinate) sequence that had substantial effects applied -and definitely I found that closing nested sequences that I wasn't actually working on sped up the master sequence. In other words, to work on the master, you don't need the nested sequences open, or displayed in the monitor window. In my case, the time delay ranged from just barely noticeable to whatever it took do a fresh render on those high-demand effects, depending on circumstances. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 9th, 2005, 09:20 PM	#3
Mike Shkolnik Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 42	WindowsXP, Pentium 4 3.2 (Prescott), 2 gigs RAM. 19 minutes of video in the timeline.

December 6th, 2005, 09:14 AM	#7
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	I find it super-annoying that I've rendered the preview of a sequence in the sequence itself, yet when I drag it into another sequence, it feels the need to render it again. It's the same thing!! There are a multitude of other situations (I think you all could point out examples) where Premiere's selection of what needs to be rendered is sooo ineffecient. __________________ BenWinter.com

February 1st, 2006, 04:21 PM	#8
Rob Brookes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 56	It really is a premiere issue that has no fix I too have searched and searched for the answer to nested sequences and there many problems. It eather works on your computer or it does not. I personally can make the nested sequences work but once the project gets over 40 to 50 minutes long forget about it. There must be a coding problem that is wrong in premiere because the entire program just gets unstable in big projects. Use edius has been my answer, at least its stable.

February 1st, 2006, 07:28 PM	#9
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	One thing you can check for is how you have the timelines displayed (set display style), it can make a difference if you have "show frames" vs. "show names only". All those 'croutons' have to be refreshed after the frames are read.

February 1st, 2006, 08:20 PM	#10
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Are we talking Premiere 2.0 or 1.51 Is this 2.0 or 1.51 ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

February 2nd, 2006, 01:20 AM	#11
Mike Shkolnik Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tigard, OR Posts: 42	1.51. Premiere Pro 2.0 did not exist when I posted in September...

February 2nd, 2006, 10:19 AM	#12
Eric Holloway Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 173	One thing you guys might want to check is if your virus program is running. I was having some "lagging" problems when working in Premiere 1.5 and I disabled my virus program and viola, it doesn't lag anymore. Give this a try. Eric

February 2nd, 2006, 03:27 PM	#13
Rob Brookes Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 56	I simply cant make movie to avi without prem pro stopping I do not have virus protection on my pc as I was aware of the issue. I will try the timeline trick mentioned though, disabling the frames on timelines but most of all I have tried everything. I can render the 1hour and 30 minute weddign videos that I make but when it comes time to make movie to a avi the output of the avi stops before completion. I even had a technician who built my computer look at it and he said that it is a premiere problem. Can anyone else here make movie of a nested sequence that is over an hour long and with guaranteed success. Please, if you have anymore suggestions it would be great.