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October 24th, 2005, 06:12 PM | #1 |
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what settings should I export to? (Adobe premiere)
Hi, i'm new to Adobe premiere pro 1.5, i got the basic editing down, and can render stuff of rough cuts (in medium to low quality) fairly easily. i'm wondering what the final output settings for best quality rendering should be for NTSC DV footage... I used a sony vx2000 in 4:3 mode btw if that helps. Thanks
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October 24th, 2005, 07:03 PM | #2 |
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I suggest that you EXPORT a finished Premier 1/5 product (once you are happy with your edits, including music or sounds to either:
DVD or to a new mini DV tape. Use the Premier 1.5 PRE SETs that are built in. Worksd well. Save AND RENDER the product AND save again..before you do any Exports. Then set up, say a DVD to export, to and go to bed. The 1st copy will take HOURS to render automatically into the DVD foprmat. Subsequent copies will be fast. A sugestion from a Producer. Larry |
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I've just finished up a 20 min graduation ceremony. Rendering took a few minutes (< 10).. and the encoding/exporting to DVD took (while I didn't time it) no more than 15 minutes or so. Am I missing something? It was PAL. 4:3. filmed with pd170. Anthony |
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if your 20 minute clip took less than 10 minutes to render to mpeg2, which is the dvd format, i'd think that the quality would be marginal... or you'd be using a very fast computer... take a look at your mpeg encoder settings, and make sure that two-pass encoding is enabled.
the actual creation of the dvd itself should be a whole lot quicker than encoding to mpeg2, because the mpeg2 footage in a dvd is basically unchanged... it is still the same mpeg2, but with a vob moniker. |
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However, I would recommend checking the quality setting (under the Video category when encoding to MPEG-2 in the Adobe Media Encoder). Make sure it is set to at least 3.0. You can go higher (up to 5.0), but I've read that it doesn't give much in return for the extra time rendering. But I would recommend no less than 3.0 when rendering the final MPEG-2 file. |
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October 25th, 2005, 06:34 PM | #6 |
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Hi, thanks for the responses. It helped a lot. Just to recap, use adobe media encoder,format: MPEG2, and i'm using the mpeg2 preset generic, field order: lower, profile: main profile, level: main level, bitrate: 2 pass,
what should my minimum and target bitrate be? keep in mind i'm shooting for highest output resolution, time is not a factor to worry about. . Are these settings ok? thanks! |
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i tried rendering with the above settings, but the quality is still no where near as good as the raw footage... whats up with that? is there a higher setting i can render to?
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October 25th, 2005, 11:36 PM | #8 |
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Hmm..
Well highest quality possible is priority... if I need to let it render over night, so be it. btw, I'm using a HT'd P4 3.0. 1 Gig ram. 2 x 200 gig SATA HDD's... umm that's the basics at least. What you think Dan? Using Premiere Pro/1.5 When choosing options, I select the one that seems to promote highest quality (I think it's default anyway) ..so something like double pass.. I think in the double pass category, there's one for 5.1 channel surround sound, and without - not that this would alter picture quality. Chris, I'll check the quality settings.. I've not yet noticed options of 3 or 5 etc.. but will have a look tonight. Thanks guys. Anthony |
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Just to reiterate, you don't need to use VBR as long as your project does not go over an hour. Just use CBR with a bit rate of 7Mbps or 8Mbps (I prefer not to go under 8Mbps if I can).
Spike, why don't you give the "NTSC DV 4x3 High Quality 7Mb CBR 1 Pass" preset a try? It is in the Adobe Media Encoder under the MPEG2-DVD category. Just select it and render your file; don't change any of the settings. Let us know how it turns out. Keep in mind that MPEG-2 is quite compressed compared to the original raw footage, so the quality is not going to be comparable to the original video. That said, you should get decent quality from the preset I mentioned. |
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Christopher, i'll give your setting a try and let you know. To detail the problem i'm having: i tried the mpeg2 output with 15mb rate, and still had this resolution problem. Its just that i could sort of see some horizontal markings when there was a pan or too many things in the background. Its weird, i think i'll post a clip to show you. I'll give your mpeg 2 dvd category. I just want the highest resolution count, id ont care if it takes 1 whole day to render. I have 64 bits at my disposal so thats not an issue at all. What would be the best uncompressed format that would still fit a dual layer DVD...?
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"With CBR encoding, you can use one-pass or two-pass encoding." - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...es/codecs.aspx since he did not specify what encoder he was using, we had no way of knowing if it was capable of two pass cbr encoding... but even if it would not do two pass cbr, two pass vbr is still a better choice, despite what you may have read elsewhere on the internet... http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/...westerink.html you guys should try two pass vbr with a peak setting of ~8.8 Mbps, average bitrate somewhere around 7 Mbps, along with ac3 audio of course... since you have the mainconcept encoder, put the quality slider all the way over. |
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October 28th, 2005, 12:48 PM | #13 |
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I usually export the file into the main microsoft DV type then open up nerovision express and throw the video file in there. I does not seem to loose much quality when i do it that way.
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And yes, I am aware that using VBR does not result in "constant visual quality over time"; however, this is probably only a concern once the bitrate falls below 7Mb/s. Personally, I prefer to use around 8.5Mb/s CBR. Quote:
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your "it looks like they are using a bitrate of 4-5Mb/s, which is far from optimal for CBR." statement is also an assumption, because you have no way of knowing what source material they were using... the overall quality of it, how much movement is in each scene, etc... and what encoder did they use? back in the mid-'90's, i worked with a sony rte-3000 mpeg1 hardware encoder... it was a really big box with component i/o, and it retailed for over $10k... it put out a phenomenal picture! so not all encoders are created equal, by a long shot, so it's difficult to make quality-based assumptions about bitrate. i would never encode an 8.8 mbps mpeg2 cbr file... if there was ever a case for incompatability, that would be it, because there is no room for error, the dvd player has to read the max bitrate the entire time that the disc is playing... with vbr, that stress is only present for short periods of time, during difficult scenes. daniel, exporting to the microsoft dv format before encoding to mpeg2 is typically how it's done, when you aren't using a video editor that has it's own mpeg encoder, like premiere 1.5 does... you should be able to get great quality that way. |
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