Finally DV Rack on a Mac? at DVinfo.net

Tim Dashwood · April 5th, 2006, 04:41 PM

So now that Apple has released "Boot Camp" and you can now boot WIndows XP on a separate partition on an Intel Mac, does this mean DV Rack will run on a MacBook Pro?

Greg Boston · April 5th, 2006, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood

So now that Apple has released "Boot Camp" and you can now boot WIndows XP on a separate partition on an Intel Mac, does this mean DV Rack will run on a MacBook Pro?

I'm already ahead of you Tim. Well sort of, I was thinking the same thing about Canon's Console and DVPC recorder applications. I'm thinking there is going to be a Macbook Pro in my future. ;-)

-gb-

Donie Kelly · April 6th, 2006, 05:46 AM

I fired up dvrack on a MacBook Pro and it worked fine. I didn't go into any details much but all the gauges and bars and preview monitors were lit up with the video I fed to it from a little Sony TRV22.

Hope that makes some of you happy.

btw: I have never seen windows xp as smooth and quick as on this MacBook. I recommed you install it just to see it run.

Donie

Marco Leavitt · April 6th, 2006, 07:05 AM

Donie,
What kind of latency were you seeing?

Cole McDonald · April 6th, 2006, 09:26 AM

http://www.parallels.com has virtual machine software that will allow you to run XP without having to reboot your intel mac...it was released today and is in beta, 30 day free trial. I'd be interested to hear how it works from some brave soul, but don't have an intel mac to test it :(

--I am not a rep of the company in question--

Tim Dashwood · April 6th, 2006, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cole McDonald

http://www.parallels.com has virtual machine software that will allow you to run XP without having to reboot your intel mac...it was released today and is in beta, 30 day free trial. I'd be interested to hear how it works from some brave soul, but don't have an intel mac to test it :(

--I am not a rep of the company in question--

Virtualization is an awesome idea, but in the case of Virtual PC has always been plagued by driver issues. I wonder if these guys have worked out a better way to tunnel through directly to the processor and graphics cards.

I don't own an Intel Mac yet, but I'd like to know if DVRack would work with Parallels' software?

Boyd Ostroff · April 6th, 2006, 03:08 PM

That software is mentioned in this Wall Street Journal article about BootCamp and the Intel Macs: http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060406.html

In the "side by side" table they say that Parallels runs slower than booting directly into Windows. I'd also expect that, although the author says he hasn't tried it himself. Will be interesting to see if they've solved some of the tough problems like Tim says.

Heath McKnight · April 8th, 2006, 10:35 AM

I would dig it if HDV Rack went to Mac native, since I just bought a Power Mac Quad and PowerBook G4 (my wife would kill me if I bought another computer).

heath

Tim Dashwood · April 8th, 2006, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

I would dig it if HDV Rack went to Mac native, since I just bought a Power Mac Quad and PowerBook G4 (my wife would kill me if I bought another computer).

heath

The problem is that DVRack makes "extensive use of Microsoft's DirectShow Technology." So basically they are piggy-backing on technology built into Windows.

See http://www.seriousmagic.com/help/faq...cfm?p=3&c=1#48 for more info.

Heath McKnight · April 8th, 2006, 11:26 AM

There's more to it than that, I think. Apple may not want to share some specifics. But if Windows XP is running well, ie, no lag like with Virtual PC, then I'll find someone with a MacBook Pro, grab HDV Rack, and get busy when I shoot my film this summer.

heath

Dean Harrington · April 11th, 2006, 04:55 PM

whether Direct X is a motherboard hardware issue, software issue or whatever? I'd love to use DV Rack and Ultra on a Mac. If Boot Camp will
allow this to be done (love to see DV Rack in HD) then I'd get a Mac Intel in a heart beat!

Heath McKnight · April 11th, 2006, 05:41 PM

DV Rack HDV (or is it HDV Rack) is excellent. Spot and I used it on the Sony HDV tour last fall/winter. www.vasst.com

hwm

Karl Soule · April 12th, 2006, 01:06 PM

I've been holding off posting to this thread until we've tested it ourselves, but we've now heard from over 10 customers that have loaded DV Rack on their MacBook Pro using Windows, and it works fine. Here are a couple of notes to be aware of:

1. Windows won't natively read the Mac partition - you'll probably want to get a small utility called MacDrive for Windows, which will ensure that Windows will read and write to your Mac partition, your Mac-formatted CD-ROM's, removable hard drives, etc. DV rack can record to any device with a drive letter, so if you have MacDrive installed, it'll record right to that Mac-formatted removable USB2 drive just fine.

2. The MacBook pointer device only has one button, and Windows doesn't have a keyboard shortcut to right-click like MacOS has. DV Rack uses the right-click for a lot of settings, especially if you are at 1024x768 resolution. You can either use an external mouse (like the Mighty Mouse) or use a freeware program like this one: http://www.geocities.com/pronto4u/applemouse.html. Or, run your screen at a higher resolution, and use the menu items in the top toolbar.

Valeriu Campan · April 12th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Karl,
You can plug in any USB mouse in your Mac and it will recognise the right click and the scroll buttons without any additional drivers. I am using right now a Logitech plugged in the Apple keyboard. The same keyboard and mouse is used on Wintel box and also in VP running on the Mac. All buttons are fully functional.

Valeriu Campan · April 12th, 2006, 07:33 PM

Did anybody tried this program as an option to Boot Camp?
http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/

April 5th, 2006, 04:41 PM	#1
Tim Dashwood Wrangler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 3,637	Finally DV Rack on a Mac? So now that Apple has released "Boot Camp" and you can now boot WIndows XP on a separate partition on an Intel Mac, does this mean DV Rack will run on a MacBook Pro? __________________ Tim Dashwood

April 6th, 2006, 05:46 AM	#3
Donie Kelly Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 159	I fired up dvrack on a MacBook Pro and it worked fine. I didn't go into any details much but all the gauges and bars and preview monitors were lit up with the video I fed to it from a little Sony TRV22. Hope that makes some of you happy. btw: I have never seen windows xp as smooth and quick as on this MacBook. I recommed you install it just to see it run. Donie __________________ Macbook Pro 2.0Ghz and Canon XL2

April 6th, 2006, 09:26 AM	#5
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	http://www.parallels.com has virtual machine software that will allow you to run XP without having to reboot your intel mac...it was released today and is in beta, 30 day free trial. I'd be interested to hear how it works from some brave soul, but don't have an intel mac to test it :( --I am not a rep of the company in question-- __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

April 8th, 2006, 10:35 AM	#8
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I would dig it if HDV Rack went to Mac native, since I just bought a Power Mac Quad and PowerBook G4 (my wife would kill me if I bought another computer). heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 8th, 2006, 11:26 AM	#10
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	There's more to it than that, I think. Apple may not want to share some specifics. But if Windows XP is running well, ie, no lag like with Virtual PC, then I'll find someone with a MacBook Pro, grab HDV Rack, and get busy when I shoot my film this summer. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 6th, 2006, 07:05 AM	#4
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Donie, What kind of latency were you seeing?

April 6th, 2006, 03:08 PM	#7
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	That software is mentioned in this Wall Street Journal article about BootCamp and the Intel Macs: http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060406.html In the "side by side" table they say that Parallels runs slower than booting directly into Windows. I'd also expect that, although the author says he hasn't tried it himself. Will be interesting to see if they've solved some of the tough problems like Tim says.

April 11th, 2006, 04:55 PM	#11
Dean Harrington Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tokyo Posts: 898	Would someone clear up ..... whether Direct X is a motherboard hardware issue, software issue or whatever? I'd love to use DV Rack and Ultra on a Mac. If Boot Camp will allow this to be done (love to see DV Rack in HD) then I'd get a Mac Intel in a heart beat!

April 11th, 2006, 05:41 PM	#12
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	DV Rack HDV (or is it HDV Rack) is excellent. Spot and I used it on the Sony HDV tour last fall/winter. www.vasst.com hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 12th, 2006, 01:06 PM	#13
Karl Soule Serious Magic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 106	I've been holding off posting to this thread until we've tested it ourselves, but we've now heard from over 10 customers that have loaded DV Rack on their MacBook Pro using Windows, and it works fine. Here are a couple of notes to be aware of: 1. Windows won't natively read the Mac partition - you'll probably want to get a small utility called MacDrive for Windows, which will ensure that Windows will read and write to your Mac partition, your Mac-formatted CD-ROM's, removable hard drives, etc. DV rack can record to any device with a drive letter, so if you have MacDrive installed, it'll record right to that Mac-formatted removable USB2 drive just fine. 2. The MacBook pointer device only has one button, and Windows doesn't have a keyboard shortcut to right-click like MacOS has. DV Rack uses the right-click for a lot of settings, especially if you are at 1024x768 resolution. You can either use an external mouse (like the Mighty Mouse) or use a freeware program like this one: http://www.geocities.com/pronto4u/applemouse.html. Or, run your screen at a higher resolution, and use the menu items in the top toolbar. __________________ Karl Soule' Product Marketing Manager, Serious Magic Professional Products Group. ksoule@seriousmagic.com

April 12th, 2006, 07:28 PM	#14
Valeriu Campan Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 223	Karl, You can plug in any USB mouse in your Mac and it will recognise the right click and the scroll buttons without any additional drivers. I am using right now a Logitech plugged in the Apple keyboard. The same keyboard and mouse is used on Wintel box and also in VP running on the Mac. All buttons are fully functional.

April 12th, 2006, 07:33 PM	#15
Valeriu Campan Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 223	Did anybody tried this program as an option to Boot Camp? http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/