Premiere Pro support for Canon XL H1

Christopher Glaeser · July 13th, 2006, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Richard

It would be cool if Adobe gets to that level and their own intermediate codec

MainConcept has announced MPEG Pro HD 2.0 for Premiere Pro 2.

See http://www.mainconcept.com/site/index.php?id=7862

Best,
Christopher

Pete Bauer · July 13th, 2006, 08:22 AM

I'm not sure that Adobe hasn't already done that. I've noticed, but not yet played with this...if you go to Project Settings>>Video Rendering, the Previews portion of the dialog has a drop-down for file format with the following choices:

- I-Frame only MPEG-2 (the default)
- Uncompressed 10-bit (4:2:2 YUV)
- Adobe Wavelet Codec

Will have to play with those settings and see how the timeline performs. Otherwise, if I'm misunderstanding what this dialog box means, I actually hope that Adobe DOESN'T decide to develop their own intermediate codec. There are several codecs either already out there or about to be (eg Canopus, Cineform, RED) and I'd much rather see whichever turns out to be the best of them emerge as an industry standard (HA -- "industry standard" is just about an oxymoron nowadays, eh?)...so, ok, maybe a "defacto standard" that is freely available as MS DV AVI has become for miniDV users. IMHO, Adobe would do better to invest more in fixing bugs quicker and having a better interface with their customers about known issues.

This also got me to wondering. As computers get faster, I wonder if the extra power needed to decode GOPs on the fly will soon become such a small part of the whole preview/edit process that it won't really much matter? If internal computations are done intra-frame, uncompressed, and the GOP decode is no longer a big hit, why bother to transcode the initially captured source file to a much larger file?

But then again, I suppose we will all continue to want to edit in the highest resolution, chroma sampling, and bit depth that our hardware and software will support. If my camera, computer, and software could all do 2K 4:4:4 in 10bit, I'd be doing that...and using a GOP format for that would be a LOT of overhead!

In the meantime, I've found that what is currently a "fast" system will handle a couple of streams of Canon F mode HDV quite adequately.

Pete Bauer · July 13th, 2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Glaeser

MainConcept has announced MPEG Pro HD 2.0 for Premiere Pro 2.

Hmmm, I wonder if this also means that an update for the buggy Adobe Media Encoder is not far away?

Marty Hudzik · July 13th, 2006, 10:27 AM

Anyone know if that Mainconcept codec supports Canon 24F and to what extent?

Rafael Lopes · September 26th, 2006, 02:30 AM

I know I'm not supposed to double thread, so I'm simply posting a link to another thread that is XL H1 related. I hope this is ok, because I was not sure where to put it.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...161#post548161

Marty Hudzik · July 28th, 2007, 09:55 PM

I know this is a grey area as the question is about software "and" the H1, but can anyone tell me if you are using the H1 in 24f mode and editing in premiere cs3? I cannot find any native support for 24f in the software. In Ppro 2.0 they had a download that added 24f support natively in HDV. Now....nothing. I assumed that since it was added to PPro2 that Cs3 would have it already integrated.

I even read on the Adobe board that it is not supported. I tried to make custom presets and it is locked at 25fps or 29.97. There is no 24f support at all.

I know with Cineform I can have 24f support but that is another $499 on top of the CS3 upgrade. How can Adobe take away a supported format from the previous version?

Peace.

Floris van Eck · July 29th, 2007, 03:24 AM

Marty, I am using Cineform so for me 24F works. However, I was looking at the settings and indeed could not find a way to select 24F.

Marty Hudzik · July 30th, 2007, 08:21 AM

I installed the presets for the Canon that were intended for Premiere Pro 2.0 and initially it seems to work. However, someone in the Premiere forum did the same and is reporting an audio sync issue.....5 seconds I think he said. I have to test further and see if I see the same.

I do have Cineform but was wanting to do some native work also.

Peace.

Chet Kenisell · August 16th, 2007, 03:08 PM

I have been looking into building a Matrox RT.X2 for work and I have been reading that it supports Canon's 24f 1080i resolution. See their specifications here:
http://www.matrox.com/video/products...ew_rtx2_30.pdf

Page 2, half way down.

They now have drivers for Adobe CS3 on a Windows XP machine. No Vista support yet.

July 13th, 2006, 08:22 AM	#17
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	I'm not sure that Adobe hasn't already done that. I've noticed, but not yet played with this...if you go to Project Settings>>Video Rendering, the Previews portion of the dialog has a drop-down for file format with the following choices: - I-Frame only MPEG-2 (the default) - Uncompressed 10-bit (4:2:2 YUV) - Adobe Wavelet Codec Will have to play with those settings and see how the timeline performs. Otherwise, if I'm misunderstanding what this dialog box means, I actually hope that Adobe DOESN'T decide to develop their own intermediate codec. There are several codecs either already out there or about to be (eg Canopus, Cineform, RED) and I'd much rather see whichever turns out to be the best of them emerge as an industry standard (HA -- "industry standard" is just about an oxymoron nowadays, eh?)...so, ok, maybe a "defacto standard" that is freely available as MS DV AVI has become for miniDV users. IMHO, Adobe would do better to invest more in fixing bugs quicker and having a better interface with their customers about known issues. This also got me to wondering. As computers get faster, I wonder if the extra power needed to decode GOPs on the fly will soon become such a small part of the whole preview/edit process that it won't really much matter? If internal computations are done intra-frame, uncompressed, and the GOP decode is no longer a big hit, why bother to transcode the initially captured source file to a much larger file? But then again, I suppose we will all continue to want to edit in the highest resolution, chroma sampling, and bit depth that our hardware and software will support. If my camera, computer, and software could all do 2K 4:4:4 in 10bit, I'd be doing that...and using a GOP format for that would be a LOT of overhead! In the meantime, I've found that what is currently a "fast" system will handle a couple of streams of Canon F mode HDV quite adequately. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

September 26th, 2006, 02:30 AM	#20
Rafael Lopes Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 1,239	Premiere export to tape 24F/25F? Gotta be a way! I know I'm not supposed to double thread, so I'm simply posting a link to another thread that is XL H1 related. I hope this is ok, because I was not sure where to put it. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...161#post548161

July 28th, 2007, 09:55 PM	#21
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	H1 24f and Premiere Pro cs3? I know this is a grey area as the question is about software "and" the H1, but can anyone tell me if you are using the H1 in 24f mode and editing in premiere cs3? I cannot find any native support for 24f in the software. In Ppro 2.0 they had a download that added 24f support natively in HDV. Now....nothing. I assumed that since it was added to PPro2 that Cs3 would have it already integrated. I even read on the Adobe board that it is not supported. I tried to make custom presets and it is locked at 25fps or 29.97. There is no 24f support at all. I know with Cineform I can have 24f support but that is another $499 on top of the CS3 upgrade. How can Adobe take away a supported format from the previous version? Peace.

August 16th, 2007, 03:08 PM	#24
Chet Kenisell Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Round Rock, TX Posts: 42	Matrox RT.X2 Can I have been looking into building a Matrox RT.X2 for work and I have been reading that it supports Canon's 24f 1080i resolution. See their specifications here: http://www.matrox.com/video/products...ew_rtx2_30.pdf Page 2, half way down. They now have drivers for Adobe CS3 on a Windows XP machine. No Vista support yet. __________________ Chet

July 13th, 2006, 10:27 AM	#19
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Anyone know if that Mainconcept codec supports Canon 24F and to what extent?

July 29th, 2007, 03:24 AM	#22
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	Marty, I am using Cineform so for me 24F works. However, I was looking at the settings and indeed could not find a way to select 24F.

July 30th, 2007, 08:21 AM	#23
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	I installed the presets for the Canon that were intended for Premiere Pro 2.0 and initially it seems to work. However, someone in the Premiere forum did the same and is reporting an audio sync issue.....5 seconds I think he said. I have to test further and see if I see the same. I do have Cineform but was wanting to do some native work also. Peace.