Workflow question inside Premiere...

Denis Danatzko · August 29th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Vanecek

...I still haven't figured out how to do a nice cross-dissolve between two clips on separate tracks (can it even be done?).

Matt

I've been able to do it with "Dip to Black", and haven't tried it specifically with Cross Dissolve, but I imagine it would be a similar approach.

I put a dip-to-black on track 2, ending it with the clip. then, on track 1, I added another dip-to-black, but in Source Monitor/Effects Controls tab, I changed the A/Begin and B/end sliders so A begins in the middle range, i.e. at black, and B ends with the image of the frame on track 1. In simpler terms, move the slider for image A to the middle, and the slider for image B to the extreme right.

I believe it should work. If you try it, please let us know what happens.

David Ziegelheim · August 29th, 2006, 09:41 PM

I'm a bit confused by this thread. Let me start with my process quickly.

I put all the source files in a folder usually called 'Raw Footage'. I also create a folder for each scene, and one for miscellanous clips.

Then scanning the footage in the source window, I make subclips, putting them in the appropriate scene's folder. Each is descriptively named. Sometimes I will throw the clip on a test sequence so that I can see the audio wave form. It is sometimes quicker to find dialog from the waveform. Note, you can only create subclips from the source window.

Then the scenes are assembled, and the scenes are assembled into the product. Color correction and audio enhancement is part of the scene creation.

So comments like not using the source window are pretty perplexing to me.

Ervin Farkas · August 30th, 2006, 06:09 AM

OK, I uninstalled every other player (except Windows Media Player, I don't think it can be unistalled since it's part of the operating system... or can it?), and "converted" to VLC.

I love it so far, but it won't start automatically when clicking on an link on the internet... any solutions, anything I need to set in preferences? I am talking PC here - I have to download media files first and then play them from the downloaded file... I kind of miss that function of WinMediaPlayer...

Thanks,

Denis Danatzko · August 30th, 2006, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Ziegelheim

I'm a bit confused by this thread. ... comments like not using the source window are pretty perplexing to me.

David,
As I understand things, the user interface for PPro 2 is different from earlier versions of Premiere, though I've never used an earlier version, so I'm not 100% positive that's the case. PPro 2 has a "Project" panel that is basically a list of the files that you want to use in a project. However, in order to view the content of those files, one must use at least 1 of PPro 2's "built-in monitors" to actually view the files. PPro 2 has 3 such "monitors": the "Source" monitor, the "Program" monitor, and the "Multi-Camera" monitor.

The "Source" monitor allows viewing of the content of files listed in the Project panel, BEFORE they are placed on the Timeline. Therfore, simply including a file in the Project panel does NOT mean it will automatically be part of the final product. In order for that to happen, a file - or part of a file - MUST be moved to the TImeline.

The "correlation" seems to be that the Program monitor can be used to view only clips/files/part(s) of file(s) included on the Timeline, while the Source monitor will display files that are either in the Project panel, or already included in the Timeline.

Despite the "Source" monitor being available, PPro 2 also allows files listed in the Project "panel" to be dragged/included directly onto the Timeline without first being "staged" or "shortened" within the Source monitor. It's not necessary to use the Source monitor. That seems to be the point raised earlier in this thread - that some folks skip the step of using the Source monitor altogether.

If I understand you correctly, it seems as if you're already using the Source monitor. Some might suggest that the Source monitor adds steps to the workflow, but I think it really boils down to what makes the individual editor most comfortable. If the process you're using does that for you, then stick with it. After all, the editor needs to feel a sense of full control over the finished product. If your process gives you that, then "keep on trucin'."

Christopher Lefchik · August 30th, 2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas

I love it so far, but it won't start automatically when clicking on an link on the internet... any solutions, anything I need to set in preferences? I am talking PC here - I have to download media files first and then play them from the downloaded file... I kind of miss that function of WinMediaPlayer...

What browser are you using?

David Ziegelheim · August 30th, 2006, 08:44 AM

Once you've created subclips or duplicates, you can just drag them to the timeline. Same as FCP. However, first you need to create the subclips!

If you use the the Source window to create multiple instances (inserting multiple times from the same source), the clip instances can be harder to maintain. They don't appear in the project window.

What I'm indicating, is that to have a managable environment, you need to divide into workable parts. A 30 minute timeline composed of hundreds of 2-15 second clip instances is not managable, IMHO.

The source windows can also be used for fine tuning the in and out points of a clip instance. Once the clip instance is loaded there (by double clicking on it in the timeline) you can adjust it independently of the timeline.

There is a reference monitor, which I find useful for color correction. I think the multicamera is new...however I've only done single camera shoots. I wonder if it may speed scene creation by putting each actors takes in a different camera.

Matt Vanecek · August 30th, 2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denis Danatzko

I've been able to do it with "Dip to Black", and haven't tried it specifically with Cross Dissolve, but I imagine it would be a similar approach.

I put a dip-to-black on track 2, ending it with the clip. then, on track 1, I added another dip-to-black, but in Source Monitor/Effects Controls tab, I changed the A/Begin and B/end sliders so A begins in the middle range, i.e. at black, and B ends with the image of the frame on track 1. In simpler terms, move the slider for image A to the middle, and the slider for image B to the extreme right.

I believe it should work. If you try it, please let us know what happens.

I'll give it a go with Cross-dissolve this week and see how it looks. Silly me for not thinking of that, since I use the same darn technique to fade titles in and out!!!

This has been a pretty informative thread for me. For my current project I went with using the Source monitor for setting clip in/out points. It's working pretty well, especially since there are large bits I need to cut out (it's a show, and usually I don't have to do too much cutting...) this time. I kinda wish that the source monitor were bigger, but I've been piping it out to a TV I use for that type of thing (just bought a new AC for the house--no chance of getting a proper monitor!!). Convenience wise, it seems a bit more convenient to set the in/out points in the Source monitor, vs. razoring clips in the sequence (less overall keystrokes, don't forget to change from razor to clip selector to rolling edit, etc). I have to say, it does seem to make my editing work flow easier.

I really appreciate all the input on this thread. Reading a book is pretty decent for information/learning, but input from people on different ways they really work during an edit session helps a whole bunch!

Thanks,
Matt

Ervin Farkas · August 30th, 2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher Lefchik

What browser are you using?

I am using IE with SlimBrowser running on top of it.

Christopher Lefchik · August 30th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas

I am using IE with SlimBrowser running on top of it.

Okay, second question: Did you choose to associate VLC media player with video formats during the install process? That option is not selected by default. If not, you can run the install again (no need to uninstall the player before installing it).

Even at that, Windows Media file extensions WMV and ASF are there, but WVX and ASX are not. I know VLC media player can open .WVX files because I tried it. Your next best option would be to tell your browser what program you wish to associate with certain file extensions on download. Firefox/Netscape and Opera offer this feature, but apparently Internet Explorer/SlimBrowser do not.

If you didn't associate VLC media player with video formats on install, you can try running the install again and selecting that option, and see how that affects Windows Media files in Internet Explorer. If it still doesn't work, I don't know of any other option but to move to another browser.

Ervin Farkas · August 31st, 2006, 11:30 AM

OK, so much for VLC... I have re-installed it checking each and every possible function... Then I got on the VLC community page, others are asking the same question, no one bothers to respond. There's good advice on how to embedd VLC in your own webpage, but apparently it won't open regular media links. True, it plays all kinds of files located on my PC, but that's it.

VLC is now where it belongs, in the trash can... since it won't play Real Media anyway, I have to use three players to be able to play all three major streaming file formats (wma/wmv, Real, and QT). So if I re-install QT I'm back to where I started off, and will be able to play everything I need to play.

I'm just too used to IE to give it up - with SlimBrowser running on top of it, it has sooo many functions, a lazy guy like me just can't live without...

August 30th, 2006, 06:09 AM	#18
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Christopher & Steven: VLC question OK, I uninstalled every other player (except Windows Media Player, I don't think it can be unistalled since it's part of the operating system... or can it?), and "converted" to VLC. I love it so far, but it won't start automatically when clicking on an link on the internet... any solutions, anything I need to set in preferences? I am talking PC here - I have to download media files first and then play them from the downloaded file... I kind of miss that function of WinMediaPlayer... Thanks, __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

August 31st, 2006, 11:30 AM	#25
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Adios VLC OK, so much for VLC... I have re-installed it checking each and every possible function... Then I got on the VLC community page, others are asking the same question, no one bothers to respond. There's good advice on how to embedd VLC in your own webpage, but apparently it won't open regular media links. True, it plays all kinds of files located on my PC, but that's it. VLC is now where it belongs, in the trash can... since it won't play Real Media anyway, I have to use three players to be able to play all three major streaming file formats (wma/wmv, Real, and QT). So if I re-install QT I'm back to where I started off, and will be able to play everything I need to play. I'm just too used to IE to give it up - with SlimBrowser running on top of it, it has sooo many functions, a lazy guy like me just can't live without... __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

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August 29th, 2006, 09:41 PM	#17
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	I'm a bit confused by this thread. Let me start with my process quickly. I put all the source files in a folder usually called 'Raw Footage'. I also create a folder for each scene, and one for miscellanous clips. Then scanning the footage in the source window, I make subclips, putting them in the appropriate scene's folder. Each is descriptively named. Sometimes I will throw the clip on a test sequence so that I can see the audio wave form. It is sometimes quicker to find dialog from the waveform. Note, you can only create subclips from the source window. Then the scenes are assembled, and the scenes are assembled into the product. Color correction and audio enhancement is part of the scene creation. So comments like not using the source window are pretty perplexing to me.

August 30th, 2006, 08:44 AM	#21
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Once you've created subclips or duplicates, you can just drag them to the timeline. Same as FCP. However, first you need to create the subclips! If you use the the Source window to create multiple instances (inserting multiple times from the same source), the clip instances can be harder to maintain. They don't appear in the project window. What I'm indicating, is that to have a managable environment, you need to divide into workable parts. A 30 minute timeline composed of hundreds of 2-15 second clip instances is not managable, IMHO. The source windows can also be used for fine tuning the in and out points of a clip instance. Once the clip instance is loaded there (by double clicking on it in the timeline) you can adjust it independently of the timeline. There is a reference monitor, which I find useful for color correction. I think the multicamera is new...however I've only done single camera shoots. I wonder if it may speed scene creation by putting each actors takes in a different camera.