Questions about HDV rack at DVinfo.net

Christopher C. Murphy · April 18th, 2005, 12:06 PM

Finally!

http://www.seriousmagic.com/news/hdv_for_dvrack.cfm

Kevin Dooley · April 18th, 2005, 03:42 PM

Hey guys,

This being the first day of NAB, I made the rounds on a few websites to see if anyone had announced anything cool... and wouldn't you know it? Our friends at Serious Magic did... here's the link:

HDV Power Pack for DV Rack!

Patrick Masters · April 18th, 2005, 04:33 PM

Sweet. Should be an awesome addition to any editor's toolkit.

Christopher C. Murphy · April 18th, 2005, 05:33 PM

Yeah...this year is killing my bank account already!

Barry Green · April 18th, 2005, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Dooley

Hey guys,

This being the first day of NAB, I made the rounds on a few websites to see if anyone had announced anything cool... and wouldn't you know it? Our friends at Serious Magic did... here's the link:

HDV Power Pack for DV Rack!

Saw it demo'ed. It's basically the same program, but now adding full HDV support, and full resolution on the monitor (you have to zoom in to see all the detail, of course). The HDV option is an extra-cost upgrade. On the system they were demoing it didn't look like it could handle the full frame rate, which is exactly what I would have expected, because hey -- the frame is over 4x as large! Of course, the faster the computer you run it on, the more real-time the display is.

Looks like they did a great job on it!

They also announced HDV support for Ultra, and they take advantage of the graphics card to seriously improve keying frame rates. They were showing real-time keying (or, well, it looked like real-time, maybe it was 15fps, hard to tell, but either way, it sure looked good.)

Hugh DiMauro · April 19th, 2005, 08:20 AM

2005 will be a very bad year for me. <<HDV>> So many toys to buy! So much groveling, begging, empty promises, throwing myself to the floor, kicking my feet and having a temper tantrum because I want a new toy from B & H or EVS. I just ordered the Vegas 6 Editing Suite and now DV RACK announces an upgrade for HDV available in June!

2005: My wife threatened to leave me if I buy one more video toy.

I'm sure gonna miss her.

Heath McKnight · April 19th, 2005, 08:25 AM

Wow, that's nice. But I think, to save money, I'm going to stick to renting HDV gear.

heath

Andrew Paul · April 30th, 2005, 03:07 AM

Thanks Hugh, the "missing your wife" comment gave me a real good laugh. The wife wasnt too happy when when I told her what I was laughing at though.

Hugh DiMauro · May 2nd, 2005, 12:15 PM

For gosh sakes, never never never let your watch catch you laughing at another man's wife jokes. You could ruin any future video toy purchases for yourself. Now you're gonna have to wine and dine her just to buy a longer firewire cable!

Andrew Paul · May 2nd, 2005, 04:44 PM

No Probs, I just let her buy a bag or some shoes :-)

Steven Gotz · May 2nd, 2005, 04:55 PM

I am pretty sure that the reason we are going to Greece this June is to balance the 60" Sony HDTV.

But since I will have fun as well, it isn't that tough a deal. And she is beginning to enjoy having the HDTV. So fair is fair.

Just buy her expensive jewelry just in case.

Seth Bloombaum · November 20th, 2005, 11:10 AM

Results of camera tests with Z1 connected to PC's FW.
PC - Pentium 4 2.66GHz, 512MB RAM Laptop.
ATI Radeon IGP 345M video card.
External Firewire hard drive connected via PC-Card FW interface.

HDV to DVRack with HDV plugin via firewire:
Apx. 3/4 second latency to monitor, that is, monitor was about 3/4 second behind camera. Apx. 15fps display. Monitor in a window and monitor full screen both functional. All other DVRack functions perfect, including waveform, vectorscope, etc. Harddrive recorder recorded full framerate M2T files which were edited straight from external HD used for capture.

My conclusion - this laptop would be useful as a field monitor and DDR for interview and somewhat static b-roll. Low framerate and latency would be objectionable for action.

Marcus Marchesseault · November 22nd, 2005, 02:35 AM

Thanks for the real-world benchmarks. I am considering getting one of the flavors of DVRack and opinions from a real person with a regular computer (albeit a speedy one) are worth much more than most reviews or sales brochures.

Alex Raskin · June 2nd, 2006, 10:03 AM

I'm using HDV Rack, trial version.

While monitoring, recording, or playing the recorded m2t clips in HDV Rack (Sony Z1u as HDV source), I can see the image visibly pulsating (changing its brightness) about twice per second, constantly.

HDV Rack's Waveform monitor also shows these pulsations, which seem to have larger aplitude in brighter parts of the image than in darker parts.

However, when the HDV Rack-recorded clip is played by any other software, there's no such pulsations showing.

Anyone knows what is this about??

I'm running HDV Rack display at half-rez of HDV, I+P frames.

Karl Soule · June 2nd, 2006, 04:00 PM

I actually ran into this at NAB this year, and it was caused by using a shutter speed on the camera that was different from the flourescent lighting spilling into our booth from a neighboring booth.

What is the shutter speed on the camera?
What frame rate (60i or 50i)?
What type of lights are you using?

April 18th, 2005, 12:06 PM	#1
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	HDV for DV Rack is here! Finally! http://www.seriousmagic.com/news/hdv_for_dvrack.cfm __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

April 18th, 2005, 03:42 PM	#2
Kevin Dooley Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 414	Serious Magic Announces HDV Support in DV RACK! Hey guys, This being the first day of NAB, I made the rounds on a few websites to see if anyone had announced anything cool... and wouldn't you know it? Our friends at Serious Magic did... here's the link: HDV Power Pack for DV Rack! __________________ Kevin Dooley Media Director, Pantego Bible Church

April 18th, 2005, 05:33 PM	#4
Christopher C. Murphy Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,707	Yeah...this year is killing my bank account already! __________________ Christopher C. Murphy Director, Producer, Writer

April 19th, 2005, 08:20 AM	#6
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	I know my wife's gonna leave me over this... 2005 will be a very bad year for me. <<HDV>> So many toys to buy! So much groveling, begging, empty promises, throwing myself to the floor, kicking my feet and having a temper tantrum because I want a new toy from B & H or EVS. I just ordered the Vegas 6 Editing Suite and now DV RACK announces an upgrade for HDV available in June! 2005: My wife threatened to leave me if I buy one more video toy. I'm sure gonna miss her. __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

April 19th, 2005, 08:25 AM	#7
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Wow, that's nice. But I think, to save money, I'm going to stick to renting HDV gear. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

April 18th, 2005, 04:33 PM	#3
Patrick Masters Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida USA Posts: 34	Sweet. Should be an awesome addition to any editor's toolkit.

April 30th, 2005, 03:07 AM	#8
Andrew Paul Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 130	Thanks Hugh, the "missing your wife" comment gave me a real good laugh. The wife wasnt too happy when when I told her what I was laughing at though.

May 2nd, 2005, 12:15 PM	#9
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	Andrew For gosh sakes, never never never let your watch catch you laughing at another man's wife jokes. You could ruin any future video toy purchases for yourself. Now you're gonna have to wine and dine her just to buy a longer firewire cable! __________________ Interesting, if true. And interesting anyway.

May 2nd, 2005, 04:44 PM	#10
Andrew Paul Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 130	No Probs, I just let her buy a bag or some shoes :-)

May 2nd, 2005, 04:55 PM	#11
Steven Gotz Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 1,520	I am pretty sure that the reason we are going to Greece this June is to balance the 60" Sony HDTV. But since I will have fun as well, it isn't that tough a deal. And she is beginning to enjoy having the HDTV. So fair is fair. Just buy her expensive jewelry just in case. __________________ Steven Gotz http://www.stevengotz.com

November 20th, 2005, 11:10 AM	#12
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	FYI: an HDV Rack benchmark Results of camera tests with Z1 connected to PC's FW. PC - Pentium 4 2.66GHz, 512MB RAM Laptop. ATI Radeon IGP 345M video card. External Firewire hard drive connected via PC-Card FW interface. HDV to DVRack with HDV plugin via firewire: Apx. 3/4 second latency to monitor, that is, monitor was about 3/4 second behind camera. Apx. 15fps display. Monitor in a window and monitor full screen both functional. All other DVRack functions perfect, including waveform, vectorscope, etc. Harddrive recorder recorded full framerate M2T files which were edited straight from external HD used for capture. My conclusion - this laptop would be useful as a field monitor and DDR for interview and somewhat static b-roll. Low framerate and latency would be objectionable for action.

November 22nd, 2005, 02:35 AM	#13
Marcus Marchesseault Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 1,961	Thanks for the real-world benchmarks. I am considering getting one of the flavors of DVRack and opinions from a real person with a regular computer (albeit a speedy one) are worth much more than most reviews or sales brochures.

June 2nd, 2006, 10:03 AM	#14
Alex Raskin Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,435	HDV Rack Flicker/Pulsation?? I'm using HDV Rack, trial version. While monitoring, recording, or playing the recorded m2t clips in HDV Rack (Sony Z1u as HDV source), I can see the image visibly pulsating (changing its brightness) about twice per second, constantly. HDV Rack's Waveform monitor also shows these pulsations, which seem to have larger aplitude in brighter parts of the image than in darker parts. However, when the HDV Rack-recorded clip is played by any other software, there's no such pulsations showing. Anyone knows what is this about?? I'm running HDV Rack display at half-rez of HDV, I+P frames.

June 2nd, 2006, 04:00 PM	#15
Karl Soule Serious Magic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 106	I actually ran into this at NAB this year, and it was caused by using a shutter speed on the camera that was different from the flourescent lighting spilling into our booth from a neighboring booth. What is the shutter speed on the camera? What frame rate (60i or 50i)? What type of lights are you using? __________________ Karl Soule' Product Marketing Manager, Serious Magic Professional Products Group. ksoule@seriousmagic.com

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