More on (poor) encoding

Mark Morikawa · March 15th, 2007, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Ferling

BTW, Here's the link:

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/...?name=wishform

made my request...

Robert Garvey · March 15th, 2007, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Ferling

BTW, Here's the link:

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/...?name=wishform

When you make a request to Adobe it asks for 'Bug' or 'Request'

Well my guess is that your feedback goes to two different teams, depending on your selection.

So maybe for best results we should mirror any concerns to 'Bug' and 'Request'.

Peter Ferling · March 15th, 2007, 07:26 AM

You have to make a big noise (so to speak), so if you submit to both as a bug and feature, you'll increase the odds that it'll get noticed.

BTW, you do have a point, before when it was version 6 or lower, just having mpeg2 encoding was cool for a 'prosumer' application. Now that Adobe has crossed over to the professional side, and now 2nd version, this cheesy mpeg2 encoder isn't winning any accolades. Couple that with an audience now trained to view the tact sharp details of HD/HDV...

What's more is that were resolved to using freeware applications written by some dudes hunkered down in their basements, and the results are truly professional. You see, all those neat, costly tools we put to work in the edit process mean squat if it's ruined by an substandard encoder.

It's a good bet that the folks from Adobe, though instructed not to participate, do browse these forums, and they must see how important this issue really is. I'd spend double the money if I didn't have to frame-serve/vdub/tmpegenc and endure 12-24 extra hours for every one hour of HD I edit. In fact, I'm wonder just how much time and money this issue is costing me and others out there?

Michael Barrette · March 15th, 2007, 09:34 PM

This is the kind of thread that makes me think I made a bad decision on premiere. Going to have to get very familiar with these third party encoders here... that or take a look at vegas. I am suprised that new software package like vegas is making people happy, and premiere which has been around since forever is just not getting it's s&@)! together. I assumed Adobe would have worked out the bugs by now, but there's still some major issues... Adobe is a great brand, too bad they're more focused on their imaging than their video...

Ok, time to hunker down and learn about all the plugins I'm gonna need...

Herman Van Deventer · March 21st, 2007, 11:26 AM

Daniel /

TMPGenc vers 4.0 Express / LINK http://www.pegasys-inc.com/

Cinemacraft more expensive but a very powerfull standalone tool.

Some users use frameserver(free) to serve aspect frames straight from the
timeline to V/Dub to do the resise with lancros 3 resize filter before encoding
with TMPG.

Other users skip the frameserve and feed the aspect avi straight to VDUB for
resize and then encode with TMPG.

Some users feed the avi straight into TMPG to do the resize and encoding.

Some resize the Cineform avi straight from the timeline by exporting the
avi file with the field order set to no fields (progressive scan ) Prem Pro 2
before encoding with TMPGenc.

TMPGenc feedback on this forum is excellent / Not very fast but very good
quality / Good value for money.

The abovementioned methods is not to confuse you but resizing to sd / from
PPRO 2 has result into different workarounds from users before encoding.
Each method has obviously one more/less steps involved practiced by users
to safisfy their personal perceived output quality.

Herman.

Jeff Hendricks · April 13th, 2007, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Rudd

Im curious:
If slow speed is not a factor (I'll let the final project encode overnight if i have to), then what are the best options for getting a great DVD encoded:

I've heard so far:

Virtual Dub
Cinemacraft
Tempgenc (although I'm not sure which product)

are their others?

Let's see if we can form some kind of consensus on:
1. the best quality external software
2. the best way to get footage from premiere into that software
3. the best settings.

I am curious too...any takers?

Curt Wrigley · April 14th, 2007, 11:52 AM

Interesting thread.

Personally, I never let premiere encode. Im working SD DV source material. So I simple export the final movie as DV AVI and omport that into Enore. Let encore do the encoding and my results have always been very good. Reliable, simple, and good quality. (Assuming the program is 1.5 hours or less)

For longer than 1.5 hours I have used Procoder for better results on really high compression.

Curt Wrigley

March 15th, 2007, 07:26 AM	#18
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	You have to make a big noise (so to speak), so if you submit to both as a bug and feature, you'll increase the odds that it'll get noticed. BTW, you do have a point, before when it was version 6 or lower, just having mpeg2 encoding was cool for a 'prosumer' application. Now that Adobe has crossed over to the professional side, and now 2nd version, this cheesy mpeg2 encoder isn't winning any accolades. Couple that with an audience now trained to view the tact sharp details of HD/HDV... What's more is that were resolved to using freeware applications written by some dudes hunkered down in their basements, and the results are truly professional. You see, all those neat, costly tools we put to work in the edit process mean squat if it's ruined by an substandard encoder. It's a good bet that the folks from Adobe, though instructed not to participate, do browse these forums, and they must see how important this issue really is. I'd spend double the money if I didn't have to frame-serve/vdub/tmpegenc and endure 12-24 extra hours for every one hour of HD I edit. In fact, I'm wonder just how much time and money this issue is costing me and others out there? __________________ Pete Ferling http://ferling.net It's never a mistake if you learn something new from it. -------------------------------------------

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March 15th, 2007, 09:34 PM	#19
Michael Barrette Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: calgary, Canada Posts: 48	This is the kind of thread that makes me think I made a bad decision on premiere. Going to have to get very familiar with these third party encoders here... that or take a look at vegas. I am suprised that new software package like vegas is making people happy, and premiere which has been around since forever is just not getting it's s&@)! together. I assumed Adobe would have worked out the bugs by now, but there's still some major issues... Adobe is a great brand, too bad they're more focused on their imaging than their video... Ok, time to hunker down and learn about all the plugins I'm gonna need...

March 21st, 2007, 11:26 AM	#20
Herman Van Deventer Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: cape town South-Africa Posts: 251	Daniel / TMPGenc vers 4.0 Express / LINK http://www.pegasys-inc.com/ Cinemacraft more expensive but a very powerfull standalone tool. Some users use frameserver(free) to serve aspect frames straight from the timeline to V/Dub to do the resise with lancros 3 resize filter before encoding with TMPG. Other users skip the frameserve and feed the aspect avi straight to VDUB for resize and then encode with TMPG. Some users feed the avi straight into TMPG to do the resize and encoding. Some resize the Cineform avi straight from the timeline by exporting the avi file with the field order set to no fields (progressive scan ) Prem Pro 2 before encoding with TMPGenc. TMPGenc feedback on this forum is excellent / Not very fast but very good quality / Good value for money. The abovementioned methods is not to confuse you but resizing to sd / from PPRO 2 has result into different workarounds from users before encoding. Each method has obviously one more/less steps involved practiced by users to safisfy their personal perceived output quality. Herman.

April 14th, 2007, 11:52 AM	#22
Curt Wrigley Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 27	Interesting thread. Personally, I never let premiere encode. Im working SD DV source material. So I simple export the final movie as DV AVI and omport that into Enore. Let encore do the encoding and my results have always been very good. Reliable, simple, and good quality. (Assuming the program is 1.5 hours or less) For longer than 1.5 hours I have used Procoder for better results on really high compression. Curt Wrigley