Ki Pro Mini - Specification Request

Chad Johnson · September 15th, 2010, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the Reply Jon. I'm sure it's going to be a nice product that evolves as time goes on, and user feedback inspires your company to improve as much as possible through firmware updates. It seems many companies hobble their cheaper gear to push users to upgrade, but in many cases it just means neither product gets purchased due to needs vs available funds. I'm sure the Ki Pro Mini will find it's own sweet spot in the market place, and provide products that both suit our needs and that we can afford.

Good luck.

Chad

Ted Vandell · September 15th, 2010, 02:03 PM

Hey Jon will this work with a Panasonic AG HPX 170?

Jon Thorn · September 15th, 2010, 03:48 PM

Ted V. - Yes, Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini are compatible with the SDI output of the Panasonic HPX170. In fact, AJA uses a Panasonic HPX170 extensively in our QA department for testing.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Lance Librandi · September 19th, 2010, 04:29 AM

Hi Jon,
What is the record time on a 64gb CF card in Prores 10 bit 422.
Will the unit work with all CF cards including the new 128gb or do you have a list of approved CF cards for use with the Kipro Mini.
Is auto CF cards switching or Hot swappable cards going to be implemented at any time.

Thanks

Jon Thorn · September 19th, 2010, 09:22 PM

Lance L. - As an example of approximate recording times for a 64GB compact flash card -
Total capacity reported: 64.02GB
Capacity available after HFS formatting: 63.87GB
10% free space allocation: 6.39GB
90% capacity for recording: 57.48GB
1080i 29.97 or 720p 59.94 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 30 minutes, approximately 56.20GB
1080i 25 or 720p 50 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 36 minutes, approximately 56.36GB
1080p 23.98 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 38 minutes, approximately 57.08GB

1080i 29.97 or 720p 59.94 Apple ProRes 422 = 45 minutes, approximately 56.46GB
1080i 25 or 720p 50 Apple ProRes 422 = 54 minutes, approximately 56.67GB
1080p 23.98 Apple ProRes 422 = 57 minutes, approximately 57.41GB

Note that all approximations include 2 channels of 24-bit 48kHz audio. Also note that these approximations are based on a target data rate for a VBR codec. Values are derived by using the AJA DataCalc application, available for download from the AJA website or as an iPhone app from the Apple App Store, both versions are free of charge.

At product launch, AJA will provide a list of compact flash cards that are recommended for use.

Automatic compact flash card switching and/or hot swapping are not part of the feature set announced for the product. We appreciate your feature suggestions and will take them into consideration.

Regards,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Jon Thorn · September 21st, 2010, 05:53 PM

As per a number of requests in this thread, I had marketing update the website with the physical dimensions of the Ki Pro Mini as well as it's precise weight. A PDF with the dimensions in the "Physical" section of the Spec page can be obtained via the "Dimensions: click here for drawing" link:
Ki Pro Mini - AJA Video Systems

Hope this information is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Mark Petereit · September 22nd, 2010, 01:56 PM

If I run video from my camera to the HD-SDI in, does it pass the video to the HDMI out? HD-SDI out and HDMI out simultaneously?

Jon Thorn · September 22nd, 2010, 02:31 PM

Mark P. - Yes, the Ki Pro Mini will output HDMI and SDI at the same time from an incoming SDI signal. The only caveat would be if the SDI input format was one that HDMI - or the HDMI monitor it was connected to - did not support. Example: if the SDI input format is 1080PsF 23.98, the HDMI output and HDMI monitor wouldn't know what that was... they might know what 1080p 23.98 was for some monitors, just not PsF. For most everything else though, what goes in can come out on the SDI and HDMI simultaneously; 1080i, 720p, etc.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Chris Norman · September 25th, 2010, 07:47 AM

Jon, you haven't mentioned 25p .. does it not record this?

Steve Phillipps · September 25th, 2010, 07:54 AM

It has been mentioned - you can get either 1080/25P or 720 25P over 50.
Steve

Jon Thorn · September 25th, 2010, 05:48 PM

Chris N. - Yes, Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini support 1080p 25. I simply didn't list it when giving examples.

Hope this is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 15th, 2010, 12:30 PM	#31
Chad Johnson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Arcata, Ca Posts: 750	Thanks for the Reply Jon. I'm sure it's going to be a nice product that evolves as time goes on, and user feedback inspires your company to improve as much as possible through firmware updates. It seems many companies hobble their cheaper gear to push users to upgrade, but in many cases it just means neither product gets purchased due to needs vs available funds. I'm sure the Ki Pro Mini will find it's own sweet spot in the market place, and provide products that both suit our needs and that we can afford. Good luck. Chad __________________ My Work: http://www.youtube.com/ChadWork1 Sony FS5 :: Panasonic GH4 :: Sony PMW-EX1 :: FCPx :: AT4053b :: Rode NTG-3,

September 15th, 2010, 02:03 PM	#32
Ted Vandell Tourist Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4	Camera Compatability Hey Jon will this work with a Panasonic AG HPX 170?

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Mark Petereit New Boot Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 9	Does video pass through from SDI to HDMI? If I run video from my camera to the HD-SDI in, does it pass the video to the HDMI out? HD-SDI out and HDMI out simultaneously?

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September 15th, 2010, 03:48 PM	#33
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Ted V. - Yes, Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini are compatible with the SDI output of the Panasonic HPX170. In fact, AJA uses a Panasonic HPX170 extensively in our QA department for testing. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 19th, 2010, 04:29 AM	#34
Lance Librandi Major Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Australia Posts: 374	Hi Jon, What is the record time on a 64gb CF card in Prores 10 bit 422. Will the unit work with all CF cards including the new 128gb or do you have a list of approved CF cards for use with the Kipro Mini. Is auto CF cards switching or Hot swappable cards going to be implemented at any time. Thanks

September 19th, 2010, 09:22 PM	#35
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Lance L. - As an example of approximate recording times for a 64GB compact flash card - Total capacity reported: 64.02GB Capacity available after HFS formatting: 63.87GB 10% free space allocation: 6.39GB 90% capacity for recording: 57.48GB 1080i 29.97 or 720p 59.94 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 30 minutes, approximately 56.20GB 1080i 25 or 720p 50 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 36 minutes, approximately 56.36GB 1080p 23.98 Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) = 38 minutes, approximately 57.08GB 1080i 29.97 or 720p 59.94 Apple ProRes 422 = 45 minutes, approximately 56.46GB 1080i 25 or 720p 50 Apple ProRes 422 = 54 minutes, approximately 56.67GB 1080p 23.98 Apple ProRes 422 = 57 minutes, approximately 57.41GB Note that all approximations include 2 channels of 24-bit 48kHz audio. Also note that these approximations are based on a target data rate for a VBR codec. Values are derived by using the AJA DataCalc application, available for download from the AJA website or as an iPhone app from the Apple App Store, both versions are free of charge. At product launch, AJA will provide a list of compact flash cards that are recommended for use. Automatic compact flash card switching and/or hot swapping are not part of the feature set announced for the product. We appreciate your feature suggestions and will take them into consideration. Regards, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 21st, 2010, 05:53 PM	#36
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	As per a number of requests in this thread, I had marketing update the website with the physical dimensions of the Ki Pro Mini as well as it's precise weight. A PDF with the dimensions in the "Physical" section of the Spec page can be obtained via the "Dimensions: click here for drawing" link: Ki Pro Mini - AJA Video Systems Hope this information is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 22nd, 2010, 02:31 PM	#38
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Mark P. - Yes, the Ki Pro Mini will output HDMI and SDI at the same time from an incoming SDI signal. The only caveat would be if the SDI input format was one that HDMI - or the HDMI monitor it was connected to - did not support. Example: if the SDI input format is 1080PsF 23.98, the HDMI output and HDMI monitor wouldn't know what that was... they might know what 1080p 23.98 was for some monitors, just not PsF. For most everything else though, what goes in can come out on the SDI and HDMI simultaneously; 1080i, 720p, etc. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.

September 25th, 2010, 07:47 AM	#39
Chris Norman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 70	Jon, you haven't mentioned 25p .. does it not record this?

September 25th, 2010, 07:54 AM	#40
Steve Phillipps Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 2,130	It has been mentioned - you can get either 1080/25P or 720 25P over 50. Steve

September 25th, 2010, 05:48 PM	#41
Jon Thorn AJA Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Grass Valley, CA Posts: 252	Chris N. - Yes, Ki Pro and Ki Pro Mini support 1080p 25. I simply didn't list it when giving examples. Hope this is helpful, Jon Thorn Product Manager AJA Video Systems, Inc.