Good all-around combo? Indoors and outdoors - ME66 and ME64

Jesse Morgan · February 4th, 2008, 10:33 PM

Thanks for all the advice. I'll be recording into the camera most of the time. A mixture of wireless and hard-wire. Most of the time the mic will be on a boom (with stabilizers and a rycote softie or blimp).

I already have two lav mic's - One wireless Senny and a Sony ECM 77B for hardwire. I don't like using lav mic's so they are doing the job when I need them just fine for now.

I had a chat with the audio guy at Cinequip-White today (the TV end of William F. White in Toronto) and he suggested the Sennheiser 416 or the Neumann KRM 81.

I was able to have a listen to both of them among others and I think one of the two is best for a first investment. I already use a ME-66 right now for a staff job and I thought it was pretty good but wow, quite a difference between the 416 and the 66.

I am having a hard time picking between the 81 and the 416. I like the sound of the Neumann a little more and it's a little more forgiving at the sides so my boom op can be a little off. But the Senny has a great rep for being a workhorse and it's built very solid. Plus it had way more throw than the Neumann. Slightly different tools, in a perfect world I'd have both but only budgeted for one since I still need to buy all the accessories and I think I might end up getting a mixer.

The sales guy recommended a Sound Devices 302 or the version with only 2 channels but he said that there were not as many options on that model.

Any advice on the mixer?

David Sholle · February 5th, 2008, 12:08 AM

For comparing the SD 302 and the MixPre, see:

http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/mi...er-comparison/

The 302 has two stage gain/fader, better meters more segments and various choosable ballastics and some other nice features, such as the ability to handle and monitor M/S stereo, and of course has 3 inputs. It can put out a line level signal and a mic signal and various choices in between. The MixPre I think can only put out a line level signal, but of course you could add a pad to bring it down. The 302 will hold its value well, and might be needed for some future project. you won't be sorry if you buy it.

Marco Leavitt · February 5th, 2008, 12:30 AM

Man, if you can swing the 302 do it.

Steve House · February 5th, 2008, 02:02 AM

Adding my 0.02, by all means go for the 302 if your budget will allow it. I'm a big believer in buying with an eye to future needs.

February 5th, 2008, 02:02 AM	#19
Steve House Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,742	Adding my 0.02, by all means go for the 302 if your budget will allow it. I'm a big believer in buying with an eye to future needs. __________________ Good news, Cousins! This week's chocolate ration is 15 grams!

February 4th, 2008, 10:33 PM	#16
Jesse Morgan Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Geneva/Toronto Posts: 42	Thanks for all the advice. I'll be recording into the camera most of the time. A mixture of wireless and hard-wire. Most of the time the mic will be on a boom (with stabilizers and a rycote softie or blimp). I already have two lav mic's - One wireless Senny and a Sony ECM 77B for hardwire. I don't like using lav mic's so they are doing the job when I need them just fine for now. I had a chat with the audio guy at Cinequip-White today (the TV end of William F. White in Toronto) and he suggested the Sennheiser 416 or the Neumann KRM 81. I was able to have a listen to both of them among others and I think one of the two is best for a first investment. I already use a ME-66 right now for a staff job and I thought it was pretty good but wow, quite a difference between the 416 and the 66. I am having a hard time picking between the 81 and the 416. I like the sound of the Neumann a little more and it's a little more forgiving at the sides so my boom op can be a little off. But the Senny has a great rep for being a workhorse and it's built very solid. Plus it had way more throw than the Neumann. Slightly different tools, in a perfect world I'd have both but only budgeted for one since I still need to buy all the accessories and I think I might end up getting a mixer. The sales guy recommended a Sound Devices 302 or the version with only 2 channels but he said that there were not as many options on that model. Any advice on the mixer?

February 5th, 2008, 12:08 AM	#17
David Sholle Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mammoth Lakes CA Posts: 125	For comparing the SD 302 and the MixPre, see: http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/mi...er-comparison/ The 302 has two stage gain/fader, better meters more segments and various choosable ballastics and some other nice features, such as the ability to handle and monitor M/S stereo, and of course has 3 inputs. It can put out a line level signal and a mic signal and various choices in between. The MixPre I think can only put out a line level signal, but of course you could add a pad to bring it down. The 302 will hold its value well, and might be needed for some future project. you won't be sorry if you buy it.

February 5th, 2008, 12:30 AM	#18
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Man, if you can swing the 302 do it.