Wireless Lav mics on a HDR-FX1 & monitoring? at DVinfo.net

Dave Allen · January 6th, 2009, 12:55 AM

Ok friends, I just bought a Sennheiser wireless EW112PG2 lav mic system for interviewing people both indoors and out. Being a noob, I did get the 620-680 or whatever it was frequency range which seems to be the safe range not about to be problematic.

This receiver will be hooked up to a Sony HDR-FX1 which does not have an XLR input.

Never having used anything but the onboard mic before, how would you all recommend monitoring the audio while I am shooting interviews? This needs to be easily done in the field with minimal gear, as it has to be able to be packed on airline checked bags along with a zillion other pounds of crap.

Steve Wolla · January 6th, 2009, 01:29 AM

Always use headphones when using the Sennheiser's. I have 2 sets, and they are great....but wireless devices are often subject to interference, you will want to know as it happens if it happens, so you can correct things as much as possible on the spot.

It can be a real bummer to shoot a good interview only to capture the footage an hour later and discover there are ststic bursts all thoughout it.

If you cannot use good headphones, then use ear buds, something--so you can hear it while recording.

Ty Ford · January 6th, 2009, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Allen

Ok friends, I just bought a Sennheiser wireless EW112PG2 lav mic system for interviewing people both indoors and out. Being a noob, I did get the 620-680 or whatever it was frequency range which seems to be the safe range not about to be problematic.

This receiver will be hooked up to a Sony HDR-FX1 which does not have an XLR input.

Never having used anything but the onboard mic before, how would you all recommend monitoring the audio while I am shooting interviews? This needs to be easily done in the field with minimal gear, as it has to be able to be packed on airline checked bags along with a zillion other pounds of crap.

Hello Dave,

Get a pair of Sony MDR7506 or Audio Technica ATH-M50 headphones and plug them into your camera headphone jack.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Battle Vaughan · January 6th, 2009, 09:43 AM

Thumbs up on the Sony MDR7506 phones, which we bought for our XHA1 kits. I use them in the edit suite, but found them a little bulky to carry and use on the run, so I parked mine i the edit bay and bought ---forgive me, I will be shamed for using amateur stuff -- a pair of Sony MDR V150 phones for about $20 at Best Buy --- they are much more compact in the bag, fit nicely around my neck when they're not on my ears, sound just fine and are, well, expendable and replaceable should something happen to them. News is not easy on gear...my two cents /Battle Vaughan/ miamiherald.com video team

Dave Allen · January 6th, 2009, 10:29 AM

I am taking notes on all said here......

Guy Cochran · January 6th, 2009, 10:49 AM

Yup, Ty is right. Just plug the headphones into the top of the camera - the trick with the Sony FX1 is that the headphone VOL is under the the flip up LCD - so you'll want to turn it up. If it's still low google for a product called a "Boostaroo."

Inside the Sennheiser package is the 1/8" to 1/8" cable for connecting the receiver to the camera.

Adjust the "AF Out" on the receiver to -10,

Adjust the Tuner's "Sensitivity" to -20 or -10 and watch the Tuners VU's to see if you're hot.

Adjust the FX1's audio levels in the rear to "Manual" and start at about "3" - check the VU meters on the camera - should be just right.

This vid will help Sennheiser Wireless Tutorial on Vimeo

If you haven't got the headphones yet, I'd suggest a pair of Sennheiser HD280 Pro's - I prefer them over the 7506's. They cost the same $99 Sennheiser PRO Studio monitor headphones at DVcreators.net

Chris Barcellos · January 6th, 2009, 01:01 PM

And monitoring at the camera at head phone jacks on camera, even if you are using a mixer before, is best way of knowing what is actually going on tape.

Dave Allen · January 6th, 2009, 06:32 PM

Guy, I found that video before on setting up the Sennheiser's and thought it was awesome. I also use DVKitchen from DVCreators, that is awesome too.

Thanks for the play by play.

Guy Cochran · January 6th, 2009, 07:09 PM

Cool. You wouldn't happen to have been the Dave Allen that shot the footage of me and "the camera incident" The Mars Volta, live video from Sasquatch 2008 on Vimeo ???

Dave Allen · January 7th, 2009, 02:41 AM

No, I am the underwater guy...

I went a head and splurged and ordered the Sony MDR7506 headphones.

Chris Swanberg · January 9th, 2009, 12:09 AM

I love my SONY MDR7506's. I am sure there are others as good but I find mine comfortable to wear and uncolored to my ears. I think you will be happy.

On another point, set up the FX-1 to input the mic to BOTH channels. Then using the on camera volume controls set one channel slightly louder or "hotter" than the other. If you had a mixer with a reference tone output you could set this rather precisely, and set one channel about 8db hotter.... but without just bump it up a little using whatever sound you can use to do that.

The benefit is that if your louder ("hotter") channel never gets to clipping/distortion levels you can use it in the final mix with better results. If it does, you can use the other one. Built in safety net.

Rick Reineke · January 9th, 2009, 11:57 AM

Off topic.. but if you like your 7506 HPs you'll like them even more with the Garfield Softie covers.
Garfield | Headphone Softie - Earpad Covers - Black | SGARHS1

Michael Liebergot · January 9th, 2009, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Swanberg

I love my SONY MDR7506's. I am sure there are others as good but I find mine comfortable to wear and uncolored to my ears. I think you will be happy.

On another point, set up the FX-1 to input the mic to BOTH channels. Then using the on camera volume controls set one channel slightly louder or "hotter" than the other. If you had a mixer with a reference tone output you could set this rather precisely, and set one channel about 8db hotter.... but without just bump it up a little using whatever sound you can use to do that.

The benefit is that if your louder ("hotter") channel never gets to clipping/distortion levels you can use it in the final mix with better results. If it does, you can use the other one. Built in safety net.

Chris I don't believe that you have the ability to independently adjust L/R inputs separately on the FX1. You can on the Z1, but not the FX1 line and both L/R are joined.

Chris Swanberg · January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM

Michael.... thanks. I have the Z-1 and mistakenly assumed you had that same split capability on the FX-1. Thanks for setting me straight!

Chris

Dave Allen · January 10th, 2009, 03:03 AM

Go ahead and make me regret I didn't get the Z1, lol.

That is ok, as I plan on getting a Scarlet to "overcompensate" ;)

January 6th, 2009, 12:55 AM	#1
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	Wireless Lav mics on a HDR-FX1 & monitoring? Ok friends, I just bought a Sennheiser wireless EW112PG2 lav mic system for interviewing people both indoors and out. Being a noob, I did get the 620-680 or whatever it was frequency range which seems to be the safe range not about to be problematic. This receiver will be hooked up to a Sony HDR-FX1 which does not have an XLR input. Never having used anything but the onboard mic before, how would you all recommend monitoring the audio while I am shooting interviews? This needs to be easily done in the field with minimal gear, as it has to be able to be packed on airline checked bags along with a zillion other pounds of crap. __________________ Dave -

January 6th, 2009, 10:29 AM	#5
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	I am taking notes on all said here...... __________________ Dave -

January 6th, 2009, 10:49 AM	#6
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Yup, Ty is right. Just plug the headphones into the top of the camera - the trick with the Sony FX1 is that the headphone VOL is under the the flip up LCD - so you'll want to turn it up. If it's still low google for a product called a "Boostaroo." Inside the Sennheiser package is the 1/8" to 1/8" cable for connecting the receiver to the camera. Adjust the "AF Out" on the receiver to -10, Adjust the Tuner's "Sensitivity" to -20 or -10 and watch the Tuners VU's to see if you're hot. Adjust the FX1's audio levels in the rear to "Manual" and start at about "3" - check the VU meters on the camera - should be just right. This vid will help Sennheiser Wireless Tutorial on Vimeo If you haven't got the headphones yet, I'd suggest a pair of Sennheiser HD280 Pro's - I prefer them over the 7506's. They cost the same $99 Sennheiser PRO Studio monitor headphones at DVcreators.net __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore!

January 6th, 2009, 01:01 PM	#7
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	And monitoring at the camera at head phone jacks on camera, even if you are using a mixer before, is best way of knowing what is actually going on tape. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

January 6th, 2009, 06:32 PM	#8
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	Guy, I found that video before on setting up the Sennheiser's and thought it was awesome. I also use DVKitchen from DVCreators, that is awesome too. Thanks for the play by play. __________________ Dave -

January 6th, 2009, 01:29 AM	#2
Steve Wolla Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 477	Always use headphones when using the Sennheiser's. I have 2 sets, and they are great....but wireless devices are often subject to interference, you will want to know as it happens if it happens, so you can correct things as much as possible on the spot. It can be a real bummer to shoot a good interview only to capture the footage an hour later and discover there are ststic bursts all thoughout it. If you cannot use good headphones, then use ear buds, something--so you can hear it while recording.

January 6th, 2009, 09:43 AM	#4
Battle Vaughan Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami, FL USA Posts: 1,505	Thumbs up on the Sony MDR7506 phones, which we bought for our XHA1 kits. I use them in the edit suite, but found them a little bulky to carry and use on the run, so I parked mine i the edit bay and bought ---forgive me, I will be shamed for using amateur stuff -- a pair of Sony MDR V150 phones for about $20 at Best Buy --- they are much more compact in the bag, fit nicely around my neck when they're not on my ears, sound just fine and are, well, expendable and replaceable should something happen to them. News is not easy on gear...my two cents /Battle Vaughan/ miamiherald.com video team

January 6th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#9
Guy Cochran DVCreators.Net Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 892	Cool. You wouldn't happen to have been the Dave Allen that shot the footage of me and "the camera incident" The Mars Volta, live video from Sasquatch 2008 on Vimeo ??? __________________ Guy Cochran DVinfo Sponsor, Cool Gear - DVeStore!

January 7th, 2009, 02:41 AM	#10
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	No, I am the underwater guy... I went a head and splurged and ordered the Sony MDR7506 headphones. __________________ Dave -

January 9th, 2009, 12:09 AM	#11
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	I love my SONY MDR7506's. I am sure there are others as good but I find mine comfortable to wear and uncolored to my ears. I think you will be happy. On another point, set up the FX-1 to input the mic to BOTH channels. Then using the on camera volume controls set one channel slightly louder or "hotter" than the other. If you had a mixer with a reference tone output you could set this rather precisely, and set one channel about 8db hotter.... but without just bump it up a little using whatever sound you can use to do that. The benefit is that if your louder ("hotter") channel never gets to clipping/distortion levels you can use it in the final mix with better results. If it does, you can use the other one. Built in safety net.

January 9th, 2009, 11:57 AM	#12
Rick Reineke Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New York Posts: 2,038	Off topic.. but if you like your 7506 HPs you'll like them even more with the Garfield Softie covers. Garfield \| Headphone Softie - Earpad Covers - Black \| SGARHS1

January 9th, 2009, 01:32 PM	#14
Chris Swanberg Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 904	Michael.... thanks. I have the Z-1 and mistakenly assumed you had that same split capability on the FX-1. Thanks for setting me straight! Chris

January 10th, 2009, 03:03 AM	#15
Dave Allen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 497	Go ahead and make me regret I didn't get the Z1, lol. That is ok, as I plan on getting a Scarlet to "overcompensate" ;) __________________ Dave -