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Edwin Hernandez October 21st, 2004 10:10 AM

Adding a shotgun mike to the FX1
 
Ok. Let's face it. Not everybody can afford the Z1. So, what can be done in case a user buy the FX1 and wants to use a shotgun mike on it, considering that this model does not have the ring the Z1 has in which the mike fits? And what if I also need the horseshoe at the same time for an oncamera light?
-EDWIN

Ricardo Renaldi October 21st, 2004 11:18 AM

phantom power
 
it depends on the microphone. In my case I'll use a Sennheiser MK60 that needs 48VDC (phantom power), so I'll have to provide that. There's some adapters/converters in the market that convert 9V (battery provided) to 48V and have XLR in/out. I have one of those and works pretty good.

Still, is important to know more about the audio specs and operation of this camera. What's the sensibility? Is it adjustable by software? (not harware adjust, like the Z1) and what is the input soket? Miniplug stereo? Two mono miniplugs?. Just basic stuff that I do not know now. If somehone can provide information on this would be very welcome.


Ric

Deron Bauman October 21st, 2004 12:26 PM

This review answers some of those questions.

www.videomaker.com/scripts/article.cfm?id=10594

Edwin Hernandez October 21st, 2004 02:51 PM

I think you guys haven't understood my question completely. I mean, how do I physically attach a shotgun mike to this camera if there's not a place for it? I see the Z1 has a place for its mike, also the XL1, XL2, etc. but not the FX1.

Ricardo Renaldi October 21st, 2004 03:10 PM

I now realize what you mean. I never had this camera in my hands yet, so I can not comment on that.
Sennheiser sells some accesories to atach mics to anything.

Anyway, when I use a narrow shootgun like the Mk60 or MK70 I rarely mount it on he camera.

Also I think the mechanical problem is nothing compared to the task to provide phantom power and XLR to 1/8 miniplug connection plus attenuation (if that's necessary). Unless of course you use an electrect mic ( less quality than a real condenser).


Ric

Emmet Lucey October 21st, 2004 03:48 PM

search b & h, i bought a cool outrigger rig that allows you mount up to four shoe devices on the shoe.

Edwin Hernandez October 22nd, 2004 05:11 AM

Now that Ricardo brought the phantom power issue, does anyone has an idea about providing phantom power and XLR to 1/8 miniplug connection plus attenuation?
I know this camera is not out yet except from Japan, but I guess the answer will apply to any model.

Donal Briard October 22nd, 2004 06:29 AM

FX1 uses HDV-Compliant mpeg 1 layer 2 (similar to MP3, but a tad older) for it's sound recording in HDV mode. If you care enough about your sound that you would use a Sennheiser mic, forget it. Use a DAT.

Ricardo Renaldi October 22nd, 2004 09:25 AM

Donal is right. The audio is compressed, so I'm planning to use different audio setups:
a Dat for some shots .
a pair of Lectrosonics wireless transmiters feeding ProTools in a notebook, for music shots.
and for interviews or non critical stuff, just use the camera thru a Beachtek adaptor(Edwin, that answers your question.) The model DXA-6 is a good unit.

Anyway besides sound quality a good shotgun offers something else, like a well behaved narrow sound pattern. That alone, is enought for me to justify going thru the adapters initial complication.

Ric

Edwin Hernandez October 22nd, 2004 11:59 AM

Donald: So, if the audio is too bad so it's needless to use a better external mic than the one built in, then what's left for event videographers, who don't want to carry a dat recorder on a belt while shooting? Will the built in mic do the job?
-EDWIN

Wes Greene October 26th, 2004 02:00 AM

so any conclusions???
 
Any thoughts on how to bring XLR inputs and therefore a shotgun camera mic to the FX1??

A XLR to mini-plug adapter sounds like the best option.
Where do you then attach the mic??

I'm sure there is plenty of people who want to be able to record good audio with a shotgun mic and/or something like a wireless lapel.

Anybody working a neat solution?

George Ellis October 26th, 2004 06:29 AM

Edwin, I would suspect that the same setup I use would be good. I use a Beachtek DXA-8 attached to the bottom. It has my Bogen 501 quickrelease attach to the bottom of it (DXA-8). I use a hotshoe shockmount (starts with a B) to hold my shotgun mic for run and gun.

Michael Struthers October 26th, 2004 01:58 PM

Does the "Pro" Z1 use the same audio compression as the FX-1?

Alex Pappas October 26th, 2004 07:34 PM

Yes. The nature of the format is a very very high compression rate.. But its still compressed.

Strange that they would choose MPEG 2 to do the audio/video compression with. But its such a high bit-rate, that it will seem uncompressed. (Or so they say anyways..)

But to jump to the original question, if your really interested in hooking up XLR connections (Shotgun mics, Lavs etc...), just get an mini adapter that has XLR and Balanced audio inputs.. Kinda like a mini-mixer.. (sorta..)

If you're going to spend $5000.00 on a camera.. Spend the extra $200.00 and get yourself a really decent line input device... It will make a HUGE difference...

-alex

Ricardo Renaldi October 26th, 2004 09:07 PM

mono uncompressed
 
At least they could offer uncompressed mono in the Z1 if the data rate is not enought for stereo.

Ric


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