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Paul R Johnson April 18th, 2013 06:25 AM

Cheaper microphones and quality levels
 
We often have questions about cheap microphones and the usual responses are that anything cheap is bad and anything expensive good (which I've never actually subscribed to myself), but as I sell a few Chinese sourced mics at the beginner/cost effective end of the price range, I got a question from a customer a week or two ago - basically he asked which of 4 microphones I sell would be best for steel strung acoustic guitar. I knew which one I'd normally suggest, but decided to take the 4 mics he asked about, and actually record them. The results were quite interesting, so I thought I'd share the video.


It's pretty much self-explanatory, but as the first bit is me explaining what's happening, it occurred to me that the audio, when attached to a video does explain a little the real world kinds of differences that people often ask about here with spoken word, not the music bit which follows. The 4 microphones range from twenty to fifty quid each, so are not expensive. If you listen on a computer, like this Macbook laptop, the differences are very small - on proper monitors, you can hear differences. I cut up the audio in the timeline so it switches between the mics as I speak - then the same clip is repeated, each one with a continuous mic track.

My point is that the differences are quite small. The 960 seems to be popular as a drum overhead, the 510 as an instrument mic because the XLR plug is the same size as the mic, the EM1 is a hypercardioid really, not cardioid - and people like them for vocals and the MC10 - is similar in concept to the old AKG 451 - in that it has hyper, cardioid and omni screw on capsules. My own preference, purely on sound is this mic - the MC10, but none of them would be on the reject list. So when people mention cheap voice over mics, we always suggest large diaphragm mics and kind of assert that nothing else will do. It would be interesting to see if people hate the sound of any of them - or have any comments about the differences. I'd bet some people cannot hear any differences at all, and others will hear them easily.

Gary Nattrass April 19th, 2013 11:42 AM

Re: Cheaper microphones and quality levels
 
I had to sell some of my friends akg 451's recently and did a side by side with the £30 CM60/61Takstar chinese mics I use for location work, I have to admit that I actually preferred the Takstar's as they had a fuller sound and made my acoustic guitar sing so I have to agree with Paul that these days you can get some very good low cost capacitor mics!

That set with the interchangeable capsules is very good value and would be a useful addition to anyones kit bag.

Rick Reineke April 19th, 2013 01:23 PM

Re: Cheaper microphones and quality levels
 
In my casual listing environment and monitors, I didn't think any of them sound particularly 'bad'. Definite variations. Notably, I did find the EM1 was comparably thin.
The preamp would have an affect, as would the engineer's skills and environment
I assume Paul used decent mic pres and he's far from a noob, so other folks mileage may vary.

Paul R Johnson April 19th, 2013 03:09 PM

Re: Cheaper microphones and quality levels
 
The X32 has nice preamps, but I'm not certain they're any better in real world usage than my Soundcraft and Yamaha. The odd thing was that the EM1 sounds thinner - but is quite popular, with people buying them in preference to the others, often buying an extra one for stereo recording. They're warmer close in, of course and I think many people use proximity effect to their advantage. I've got a Tasacam DA and also a Lexicon Omega, and they all sound so similar, I don't really have any sonic preference at all. The preamps in the X32 are a little unusual - they don't have quite so much absolute gain as the Soundcraft, for example, and even at maximum gain, they're not really noisy, BUT maximum gain is just not as potent as the Souncraft - which gets a bit hissy on the last 5% of the pot. This last 5% is just missing on the X32. I often wonder if many of the video problems we hear so often are really down to aiming - or rather poor aiming that then needs extra gain to 'recover'

John Willett April 22nd, 2013 05:54 AM

Re: Cheaper microphones and quality levels
 
You *do* get what you pay for....

Yes, inexpensive microphones can give good quality for their price range.

With a good microphone from an established company - the top ones being: DPA, Microtech Gefell, Neumann, Schoeps and Sennheiser - you get high quality manufacture, consistency between samples (eg: you can often take two samples at random manufactured at different times, and they are likely to be pair matched closer than any "matched pair" of inexpensive microphones), excellent back-up and repair service (Neumann and Gefell can often repair microphones that are decades old) and, mostly, increase with value over time (eg: a Neumann U47 bought for £100 in the 1960s can be sold for £7-8,000 today). I have some microphones that I bought in the 1980s when the retail price was about £350 - they are still made today, but are about £2,000 each and the s/h price of mine is double what they were when I bought them.

Cheap Chinese microphones can give very acceptable results for the price, but two samples of the same microphone can be very different from each other, often unrepairable and value goes down over time.

Personally, with microphones, I always advise getting the very best you can afford.


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