AC noise reduction? at DVinfo.net

Alfred Okocha · March 21st, 2007, 07:17 PM

Hello!

I shot a dialouge on the street the other day in the vincinity of an AC (exhaust?)

Although the audio is OK I'd like to improve it as much as possible. Does soundforge or any other program (My editor is using Avid express) have a tool that could take out the noise (well, reduce it at least) and leave the dialouge intact?

My editor doesn't have any experience with this so any tip would be appreciated.

(We can't re-do it.)

THanks a lot!

Seth Bloombaum · March 21st, 2007, 08:44 PM

Sony Noise Reduction 2.0 is a great product I've used, it is available as a direct-x plugin that would work with sound forge, vegas, or another editor that uses direct-x. http://www.sonymediasoftware.com.

Audacity is a freeware/open source sound editor that comes with a basic noise reduction tool - the price is right, it's worth a try. http://audacity.sourceforge.net

I've not used it, but others have sung the praises of soundsoap. http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoap/

Jon Fairhurst · March 21st, 2007, 09:34 PM

You can also try Goldwave. It's $50 and offers a free trial. I generally use it by copying a segment with noise only, then apply it at about 70%. If you go with 100% it removes more noise, but affects the dialog a bit too much.

Alfred Okocha · March 22nd, 2007, 04:18 AM

Thank you!

Michael Liebergot · March 22nd, 2007, 10:17 AM

You also may want to try using the "Graphic EQ" and play with the low end frequecies to eliminate the low ac air rumble.

Jon Fairhurst · March 22nd, 2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Liebergot

You also may want to try using the "Graphic EQ" and play with the low end frequecies to eliminate the low ac air rumble.

If the frequencies are below, say, 200 Hz, this can really help. Anything you can do to reduce noise that doesn't harm the dialog is worthwhile. Then, when you apply the NR, you can dial it way down and step on your audio much more lightly.

In a recent video of ours an unbalanced cable must have been right next to the power cord. The hum was literally as loud as the signal. And the actors had to go back to their colleges after winter break. We couldn't reshoot. What's worse is that almost everything we do has music under it - except this scene!

Fortunately, the 60Hz hum and buzz (lots of high harmonics) were cyclic. We were able to sample the hum, loop it, invert it and mix it in. The cancellation was almost perfect - except where the auto-gain/limiter kicked in. There we had to modulate the cancellation signal to the best of our abilities.

It still wasn't perfect, so then we applied some *very* light NR. The recording wasn't as good as a clean one would have been, but it was usable for our purposes.

BTW, just applying NR without these tricks sounded like crapola. The buzz was just too wideband.

Anyway, you can hear the results here:
http://colonelcrush.com/movie/index/00030401 The exposed section starts about 1:10. You can hear some moments when we didn't match up the levels well during auto-gain.

It ain't perfect, but we saved Colonel Crush's butt!

Bill Busby · March 22nd, 2007, 06:05 PM

I use Adobe Audition for situations like this with great results by creating a noise profile, roughly 1/2 a second without dialog is all you need of the surrounding noise you want to reduce/eliminate.

Bill

Mark OConnell · March 22nd, 2007, 07:07 PM

If you have any musician friends with Digital Performer the included Masterworks EQ will let you actually see where the noise is, making it very easy to dial out (usually...).

Michael Nistler · March 23rd, 2007, 12:09 AM

Hi Alfred,

If you're lucky enough that your AC noise is defined in a very narrow frequency spectrum, the above mentioned software tools should do a good job of letting you isolate the frequency and removing it (such as a hum). But if the AC noise won't be so well defined (involving displaced air mixing with fan vibrations, etc), they you may need to use parametric equalization. Using a high-pass filter will probably be your last resort.

Good luck, Michael

Brett Sherman · March 23rd, 2007, 07:50 AM

Voxengo's Redunoise (VST PC only) is the best value in broadband noise reduction. It's a little difficult to figure out at first but quite powerful with a lot of tweaking available. I've used Sony's and Waves X-Noise, and SoundSoap Pro. It blows all of those out of the water. And it's only $100.

I think Waves considerably improved their noise reduction with Z-Noise, but I've never used it. Of course it's like $1000.

Alfred Okocha · March 24th, 2007, 05:50 AM

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just realised that AC (airconditioner) could be mixed up with AC-power..
My bad! I was talking about an airconditioner(exhaust) although I think all the suggestions are valid anyway.

I've tried the Audacity solution and I found the voices get a bit ehh.. "tinny" even when I use the absolut less option. (Maybe mixing down the original track and using the processed one maybe makes for a good result? Anyway, I'll try some of your other suggestions too until I find something!

Jon Fairhurst · March 24th, 2007, 11:22 AM

Try http://GoldWave.com The demo version is free. Sample the noise by copying it into the clipboard, then apply. The problem with fan noise is that it's wideband. Try removing as little noise as you can get away with.

March 21st, 2007, 07:17 PM	#1
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	AC noise reduction? Hello! I shot a dialouge on the street the other day in the vincinity of an AC (exhaust?) Although the audio is OK I'd like to improve it as much as possible. Does soundforge or any other program (My editor is using Avid express) have a tool that could take out the noise (well, reduce it at least) and leave the dialouge intact? My editor doesn't have any experience with this so any tip would be appreciated. (We can't re-do it.) THanks a lot!

March 21st, 2007, 09:34 PM	#3
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	You can also try Goldwave. It's $50 and offers a free trial. I generally use it by copying a segment with noise only, then apply it at about 70%. If you go with 100% it removes more noise, but affects the dialog a bit too much. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

March 22nd, 2007, 10:17 AM	#5
Michael Liebergot Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,505	You also may want to try using the "Graphic EQ" and play with the low end frequecies to eliminate the low ac air rumble. __________________ Michael www.lvpvideo.com

March 23rd, 2007, 12:09 AM	#9
Michael Nistler Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Petaluma, CA Posts: 456	AC noise Hi Alfred, If you're lucky enough that your AC noise is defined in a very narrow frequency spectrum, the above mentioned software tools should do a good job of letting you isolate the frequency and removing it (such as a hum). But if the AC noise won't be so well defined (involving displaced air mixing with fan vibrations, etc), they you may need to use parametric equalization. Using a high-pass filter will probably be your last resort. Good luck, Michael

March 24th, 2007, 11:22 AM	#12
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Try http://GoldWave.com The demo version is free. Sample the noise by copying it into the clipboard, then apply. The problem with fan noise is that it's wideband. Try removing as little noise as you can get away with. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

March 21st, 2007, 08:44 PM	#2
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Sony Noise Reduction 2.0 is a great product I've used, it is available as a direct-x plugin that would work with sound forge, vegas, or another editor that uses direct-x. http://www.sonymediasoftware.com. Audacity is a freeware/open source sound editor that comes with a basic noise reduction tool - the price is right, it's worth a try. http://audacity.sourceforge.net I've not used it, but others have sung the praises of soundsoap. http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundsoap/

March 22nd, 2007, 04:18 AM	#4
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	Thank you!

March 22nd, 2007, 06:05 PM	#7
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	I use Adobe Audition for situations like this with great results by creating a noise profile, roughly 1/2 a second without dialog is all you need of the surrounding noise you want to reduce/eliminate. Bill

March 22nd, 2007, 07:07 PM	#8
Mark OConnell Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 420	If you have any musician friends with Digital Performer the included Masterworks EQ will let you actually see where the noise is, making it very easy to dial out (usually...).

March 23rd, 2007, 07:50 AM	#10
Brett Sherman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mount Rainier, MD Posts: 428	Voxengo's Redunoise (VST PC only) is the best value in broadband noise reduction. It's a little difficult to figure out at first but quite powerful with a lot of tweaking available. I've used Sony's and Waves X-Noise, and SoundSoap Pro. It blows all of those out of the water. And it's only $100. I think Waves considerably improved their noise reduction with Z-Noise, but I've never used it. Of course it's like $1000.

March 24th, 2007, 05:50 AM	#11
Alfred Okocha Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 427	Thanks for all your suggestions. I just realised that AC (airconditioner) could be mixed up with AC-power.. My bad! I was talking about an airconditioner(exhaust) although I think all the suggestions are valid anyway. I've tried the Audacity solution and I found the voices get a bit ehh.. "tinny" even when I use the absolut less option. (Maybe mixing down the original track and using the processed one maybe makes for a good result? Anyway, I'll try some of your other suggestions too until I find something!