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Lalo Alvidrez · June 6th, 2007, 09:53 PM

I hope this is in the right section, for those of you that video concerts or live music perfomances. Do you capture your audio with a audio recorder of some sort to where you plug into the soundboard or do you just use your camcorder to capture all the audio? I was looking at purchasing some type of audio recorder to make sure to get a good audio recording. Let me know what type of setup you have. I'm using vx2100's.

Richard Zlamany · June 7th, 2007, 12:44 AM

I use an iriver 795 to do exactly that. I either plug in to the line out or the head phone jack depending on what is available. I always have backup audio just in case something goes wrong at the board.

Lalo Alvidrez · June 7th, 2007, 04:00 AM

I currently use irivers for mic-ing the groom. What settings do you use when you use the iriver for recording from the soundboard?

Claude Mangold · June 7th, 2007, 04:34 AM

My experiences are mostly with camcorders or firld recorders with balaced inputs - no problem recording from mixing console provided that you are fed the right mix for your film. Used either balances cable or balances wireless.

But I have occasionally gotten decent results with a Sennheiser SKP100 wireless plug-on plugged directly into the mixing console and an EK100 receiver jack-plugged into a Sony DCR-PC110 DV Handycam.

An acquaintance, who is also a musician, uses an Edirol R-09 to his satisfaction - I thing you can plug in an unbalances stereo mic. And it's really inexpensive. If you use an independent device of this MP3-type, you cannot sync the sound, so do use a clap whenever possible.

You could also use one of these wonderful Sonosax 1-channel boom preamps, but they are not easy to find and cost almost as much as a small protable field mixer/recorder like the Edirol R-4 which is super value. Make sure that anything you buy can emit a test signal, e.g. -9dB. And if you can switch off the auto-level on your cam, do so !

Steve House · June 7th, 2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalo Alvidrez

I hope this is in the right section, for those of you that video concerts or live music perfomances. Do you capture your audio with a audio recorder of some sort to where you plug into the soundboard or do you just use your camcorder to capture all the audio? I was looking at purchasing some type of audio recorder to make sure to get a good audio recording. Let me know what type of setup you have. I'm using vx2100's.

"Concerts and live music performances" covers a broad range, while "good audio recording" is also pretty broad. Good for what? Broadcast, DVD-A release, audition and promo materials for the band, what? If "good audio recording" means equivalent to what you see/hear when you tune in to PBS's "Austin City Limits" you'll need far more than if you're micing the groom at a wedding.

Dave Stern · June 7th, 2007, 10:30 AM

I have had good results using a whirlwind direct2 box to connect from a sound board to my recorder. mostly to isolate the two pieces of equipment from each other and still get the signal (also an easy pad)... 1/4" inputs and XLR out

http://www.whirlwindusa.com/dirbox.html

Richard Zlamany · June 8th, 2007, 08:10 AM

Each board calls for different settings.

I switch the iriver to line in and use headphones to adjust the level on the iriver. I use either the best mono or stereo settings depending on the gig.
I do a test recording and play it back using the headphones. I set the level a little low do avoid clipping.

If I use the headphone out jack, I do the same thing but use the headphone volume to adjust the level for the iriver which is set around 36.

I find at wedding receptions that this technique has advantages and disadvantages. The sound is sterile and missing the life that is present at a reception, but the toast and speeches mix well into the edit. I like to have as many options as I can for editing, so it the end it is bonus even if a few parts of the iriver recording are used.

Some DJ's refuse me hookup to their board or screw up the sound somehow, so there can be problems.

There is also audio drift every 12 minutes, but this is easily fixed in post.

June 6th, 2007, 09:53 PM	#1
Lalo Alvidrez Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Longview, Tx. Posts: 227	Recording directly from soundboard I hope this is in the right section, for those of you that video concerts or live music perfomances. Do you capture your audio with a audio recorder of some sort to where you plug into the soundboard or do you just use your camcorder to capture all the audio? I was looking at purchasing some type of audio recorder to make sure to get a good audio recording. Let me know what type of setup you have. I'm using vx2100's.

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June 7th, 2007, 12:44 AM	#2
Richard Zlamany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamden CT Posts: 470	I use an iriver 795 to do exactly that. I either plug in to the line out or the head phone jack depending on what is available. I always have backup audio just in case something goes wrong at the board.

June 7th, 2007, 04:00 AM	#3
Lalo Alvidrez Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Longview, Tx. Posts: 227	I currently use irivers for mic-ing the groom. What settings do you use when you use the iriver for recording from the soundboard?

June 7th, 2007, 04:34 AM	#4
Claude Mangold Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Berlin and Geneva Posts: 259	My experiences are mostly with camcorders or firld recorders with balaced inputs - no problem recording from mixing console provided that you are fed the right mix for your film. Used either balances cable or balances wireless. But I have occasionally gotten decent results with a Sennheiser SKP100 wireless plug-on plugged directly into the mixing console and an EK100 receiver jack-plugged into a Sony DCR-PC110 DV Handycam. An acquaintance, who is also a musician, uses an Edirol R-09 to his satisfaction - I thing you can plug in an unbalances stereo mic. And it's really inexpensive. If you use an independent device of this MP3-type, you cannot sync the sound, so do use a clap whenever possible. You could also use one of these wonderful Sonosax 1-channel boom preamps, but they are not easy to find and cost almost as much as a small protable field mixer/recorder like the Edirol R-4 which is super value. Make sure that anything you buy can emit a test signal, e.g. -9dB. And if you can switch off the auto-level on your cam, do so !

June 7th, 2007, 10:30 AM	#6
Dave Stern Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 391	I have had good results using a whirlwind direct2 box to connect from a sound board to my recorder. mostly to isolate the two pieces of equipment from each other and still get the signal (also an easy pad)... 1/4" inputs and XLR out http://www.whirlwindusa.com/dirbox.html

June 8th, 2007, 08:10 AM	#7
Richard Zlamany Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamden CT Posts: 470	Each board calls for different settings. I switch the iriver to line in and use headphones to adjust the level on the iriver. I use either the best mono or stereo settings depending on the gig. I do a test recording and play it back using the headphones. I set the level a little low do avoid clipping. If I use the headphone out jack, I do the same thing but use the headphone volume to adjust the level for the iriver which is set around 36. I find at wedding receptions that this technique has advantages and disadvantages. The sound is sterile and missing the life that is present at a reception, but the toast and speeches mix well into the edit. I like to have as many options as I can for editing, so it the end it is bonus even if a few parts of the iriver recording are used. Some DJ's refuse me hookup to their board or screw up the sound somehow, so there can be problems. There is also audio drift every 12 minutes, but this is easily fixed in post.