Unknown 35mm flipper in Tiffen`s IBC booth? at DVinfo.net

Toenis Liivamaegi · October 25th, 2007, 01:52 AM

I was browsing the net another day and came across to that unknown 35mm adapter shown in Tiffen`s Booth. I think it`s fitted to an A1.
Take a look: http://www.homebuiltstabilizers.com/...s/photo10.html
It took me some time to see it at the background.
Anyone knows what it actually is?

Cheers,
T

Ted Ramasola · October 25th, 2007, 02:28 AM

that looks like the letus extreme, the one with the LED switch already transferred to the back.

Phil Bloom · October 25th, 2007, 02:41 AM

certainly looks like it...

Toenis Liivamaegi · October 25th, 2007, 05:18 AM

Kind of reminds Letus, maybe it really premiered there as IBC was held on 6-11 September if I`m not mistaken... very unlikely.
I saw that Mikko Wilson was there so maybe he jumps by and enlightens us.

T

Paul Watkins · October 25th, 2007, 10:13 AM

I think its the new movietube adapter. Looks like the letus but is gray with slightly different body design.

Jon Wolding · October 25th, 2007, 05:33 PM

Why is it that the two expensive adapter manufacturers are the only ones who don't post full resolution, uncompressed frame grabs and videos?

Phil Bloom · October 26th, 2007, 03:53 PM

because they can't justify their prices? Or perhaps they think they are above such things as message boards!

With the new Letus Extreme and Dennis Wood's flip module for the Brevis out, or almost out. Competition for the movietube and mini 35 has never been stronger. I would LOVE to test out these four adaptors together and see finally if there really is any justification for such a massive price difference!

Bob Hart · October 26th, 2007, 10:05 PM

Phil.

Movietube and P+S Technik were pioneers in their unique forms of the application. Subsequent new players have essentially harvested the ideas then in some instances offered new levels of performance and options on top.

My guess is that from a legal standpoint, for P+S and Movietube, by entering into technical discussion here, consent for copying or development of their ideas could be implied so they might simply be not taking the chance - pure assumption on my part based in no way in fact.

I think they might be a little misguided in staying away if in fact they have done do deliberately. Much of the support for the new optical adaptor players and such as RED and Cineform has been generated by a sort of defacto R & D involvement by people on the forums. An associated enthusiasm and sense of ownership and more importantly a loyalty develops.

I have had a recent play with a JVC HD100/Mini35-400 combination to check the backfocus for the owner. Adjusted with care, it optically ----s on anything I have ever built.

Blocks "B" and "G" of the Lemac chart resolve solidly. Blocks "A" and "F", show moire patterns which suggests the optical path lays a sharper pattern on the CCD array than the CCD array is able to resolve.

On my own Agus35/Sony, I get firm block "B" resolution but no block "G" and there is no moire pattern on blocks "A" and "F" which suggests my combination optically hits a wall a lot sooner. My subjective guess is that my gadget comes in at about 70% of the Mini35 performance, not the 85% I was previously inclined to believe.

Block "B" indicates 862 lines or better of horizontal resolution. Block "F" indicates 486 or better lines of vertical resolution. The notes on the chart advise that HD video camera is incapable of resolving blocks "A" and "F".

It may likely be a different story with the RED camera, Viper and SI 2K but that is science I do not know.

Block "A" indicates 1920 horizontal lines of resolution, block "F" indicates 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

My framing on the chart was by the camera LCD viewfinder not by underscan framing.

I regret I did not have the courage in investing in the Mini35. I could have been earning with it by now. My own gadget simply is not good enough.

Bear in mind I am no tech or industry professional, just a mug with a pair of pliers, hacksaw and tinsnips in hand.

October 25th, 2007, 01:52 AM	#1
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	Unknown 35mm flipper in Tiffen`s IBC booth? I was browsing the net another day and came across to that unknown 35mm adapter shown in Tiffen`s Booth. I think it`s fitted to an A1. Take a look: http://www.homebuiltstabilizers.com/...s/photo10.html It took me some time to see it at the background. Anyone knows what it actually is? Cheers, T

October 25th, 2007, 02:41 AM	#3
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	certainly looks like it... __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

October 25th, 2007, 10:13 AM	#5
Paul Watkins Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: glassboro, NJ Posts: 87	I think its the new movietube adapter. Looks like the letus but is gray with slightly different body design. Attached Images

October 26th, 2007, 03:53 PM	#7
Phil Bloom Trustee Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 1,939	because they can't justify their prices? Or perhaps they think they are above such things as message boards! With the new Letus Extreme and Dennis Wood's flip module for the Brevis out, or almost out. Competition for the movietube and mini 35 has never been stronger. I would LOVE to test out these four adaptors together and see finally if there really is any justification for such a massive price difference! __________________ Philip Bloom Cinematographer, Director, Filmmaker www.philipbloom.net

October 26th, 2007, 10:05 PM	#8
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,476	Phil. Movietube and P+S Technik were pioneers in their unique forms of the application. Subsequent new players have essentially harvested the ideas then in some instances offered new levels of performance and options on top. My guess is that from a legal standpoint, for P+S and Movietube, by entering into technical discussion here, consent for copying or development of their ideas could be implied so they might simply be not taking the chance - pure assumption on my part based in no way in fact. I think they might be a little misguided in staying away if in fact they have done do deliberately. Much of the support for the new optical adaptor players and such as RED and Cineform has been generated by a sort of defacto R & D involvement by people on the forums. An associated enthusiasm and sense of ownership and more importantly a loyalty develops. I have had a recent play with a JVC HD100/Mini35-400 combination to check the backfocus for the owner. Adjusted with care, it optically ----s on anything I have ever built. Blocks "B" and "G" of the Lemac chart resolve solidly. Blocks "A" and "F", show moire patterns which suggests the optical path lays a sharper pattern on the CCD array than the CCD array is able to resolve. On my own Agus35/Sony, I get firm block "B" resolution but no block "G" and there is no moire pattern on blocks "A" and "F" which suggests my combination optically hits a wall a lot sooner. My subjective guess is that my gadget comes in at about 70% of the Mini35 performance, not the 85% I was previously inclined to believe. Block "B" indicates 862 lines or better of horizontal resolution. Block "F" indicates 486 or better lines of vertical resolution. The notes on the chart advise that HD video camera is incapable of resolving blocks "A" and "F". It may likely be a different story with the RED camera, Viper and SI 2K but that is science I do not know. Block "A" indicates 1920 horizontal lines of resolution, block "F" indicates 1080 lines of vertical resolution. My framing on the chart was by the camera LCD viewfinder not by underscan framing. I regret I did not have the courage in investing in the Mini35. I could have been earning with it by now. My own gadget simply is not good enough. Bear in mind I am no tech or industry professional, just a mug with a pair of pliers, hacksaw and tinsnips in hand. Last edited by Bob Hart; October 26th, 2007 at 10:28 PM. Reason: error

October 25th, 2007, 02:28 AM	#2
Ted Ramasola Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Allen, Texas U.S.A Posts: 1,117	that looks like the letus extreme, the one with the LED switch already transferred to the back.

October 25th, 2007, 05:18 AM	#4
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	Kind of reminds Letus, maybe it really premiered there as IBC was held on 6-11 September if I`m not mistaken... very unlikely. I saw that Mikko Wilson was there so maybe he jumps by and enlightens us. T

October 25th, 2007, 05:33 PM	#6
Jon Wolding Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 195	Why is it that the two expensive adapter manufacturers are the only ones who don't post full resolution, uncompressed frame grabs and videos?