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Obin Olson October 7th, 2005 04:33 PM

Best Letus35+reel-stream footage ever
 
it's going to take about 2 hours to upload, and it's using the bitjazz.com codec but this should be the best 35mmLetus reel-stream.com footage ever seen on the net...make sure you have the bitjazz.com codec installed to view, and the file is 148megs!

give it 2 hours to upload on our ftp

dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

let me know your thoughts! and don't harp on me for the "spot" in the image, it's only dirt on the glass ;)

Quyen Le October 7th, 2005 09:01 PM

Downloaded reader from bitjazz.com, installed but cannot view the file, any idea? thanks.

Quyen

Eric Gorski October 7th, 2005 09:15 PM

can't get it to play... sure its good though..

Dmitry Yun October 7th, 2005 11:06 PM

Would love to see the footage but says error with the codec installed. Is there a way you could post a different codec please?

Obin Olson October 7th, 2005 11:24 PM

it's AVI for PC and you MUST have the bitjazz.com free PLAYER codec installed to view...

www.bitjazz.com

this is as close to a RAW HD file as you will get, the sheer codec is used for DI work on lots of stuff. it's great

A.J. Briones October 7th, 2005 11:29 PM

hi obin, can you post an h264 version for us mac users?

Obin Olson October 7th, 2005 11:34 PM

fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?

A.J. Briones October 7th, 2005 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obin Olson
fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?

well, for one, i'll be able to see it. ;-P

apple uses it for their hd trailers.

more here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/

Wayne Kinney October 8th, 2005 01:49 AM

Obin,
Looks like noone can veiw your clip even after installing the codec.

I am confused however, the clip in an avi, to play in media player, right? But the codecs on bitjazz.com seem to be for quicktime player. i tried playing the file in quicktime also but no luck.

Please give more info about installing and what player to use, we are very interested.

Thanks,
Wayne.

Fredrik-Larsson October 8th, 2005 03:11 AM

Well, the free reader is the only thing I can figure out to download. And that doesn't install on a non english Windows XP. The manual installation only mention how to installl the plugin into Quicktime. It looks as it's only the beta that supports AVI or?

Michael Maier October 8th, 2005 04:09 AM

Can't get it to play either.

Glen Hurd October 8th, 2005 05:53 AM

Looks like a codec with lots of potential. Installs on Mac and PC. But can't play your movie after install. Maybe your encoding got screwed up (I can play the sheervideo stuff on their website OK).

I also just installed their encoder (20-day trial). My original file was 230 MB. After encoding with sheer, twice (2 different settings), it's now at 462 MB, and there's a huge gamma shift (not what I'd call "perfect" by any stretch.)

Quote:"Obin Olson: fill me in on this H264 codec, why is it so great?"

With H264, no visual change in picture, and file size went from 230 MB to 13 MB. Downside is, it takes a lot longer to compress. But that's because it does such a great job . . .

Glen

Obin Olson October 8th, 2005 11:20 AM

hmmm...well....h264 is mac only right?

Steven Fokkinga October 8th, 2005 11:55 AM

No, it comes with Quicktime 7, which is available on PC as well...

Can't get the sheervideo to play either... , but I would be interested to see it in a lossless codec, could you try to make a .mov in the sheervideo codec please?

Thnx, Steven

Obin Olson October 8th, 2005 11:57 AM

for the people that have installed the sheervideo codec, what happens when you try and play the file?

Steven Fokkinga October 8th, 2005 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Hurd
I also just installed their encoder (20-day trial). My original file was 230 MB. After encoding with sheer, twice (2 different settings), it's now at 462 MB, and there's a huge gamma shift (not what I'd call "perfect" by any stretch.)

Wait... Are you saying your file size doubled after the compression?
About the gamma shift, with a lossless codec, every pixel in every frame should be identical to those in the original, so there's something strange going on there...

On the bitjazz-site there is a link to some awful footage apperently coded with sheervideo. If I were them I'd remove it... It looks like it's 4 bit color...

Wayne Kinney October 8th, 2005 12:01 PM

Installed codec, double clip your video, opens media player, media player gives an error "The specified module could not be found"

What player is needed, media player or quicktime?

Wayne.

Steven Fokkinga October 8th, 2005 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obin Olson
for the people that have installed the sheervideo codec, what happens when you try and play the file?

Nothing happens, the free decoder you can download installs in the quicktime directory, but quicktime can't do anything with it since it is .avi. I also tried media player classic, it says it can't find the codec...

Steven

Chad Schultz October 8th, 2005 12:37 PM

Try encoding it with a more popular codec, like DivX or Xvid. Both of them are free and can be downloaded from the DivX site.

Glen Hurd October 8th, 2005 12:46 PM

Quote Steven F. "Wait... Are you saying your file size doubled after the compression?"
Yes. I tried it twice, thinking I'd done something wrong. Tried 2 different settings. Maybe it just "compresses" everything to be of HD size or something.
As for the gamma shift, that happened consistently as well. Perhaps it's still in beta . . .

I can play avi's using Quicktime on my mac, but Obin's file comes up large and . . . black. It's very even, though, and no noise that I can see ;)

Glen
PS To export in H.264 with Quicktime, you may have to buy the pro version for $30 from Apple, although there are other H.264 encoders for the PC out there. It's basically the latest generation of the mpeg-4 standard, and can play HD footage at less than 1MB/sec with no visual loss in picture quality.

Kyle Edwards October 8th, 2005 03:00 PM

Obin is an odd fellow.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi
(right click, save as option)

EDIT: I would guess you need to be a beta tester for the AVI version.

Graham Bernard October 9th, 2005 03:46 AM

I can't make head nor tail of this. Downloaded the 148mb AVI. Read the JAZZ stuff. Was at complete loss as to what I should be downloading for free to view. I would really liked to have seen your footage. Gotta move on!

Best regards,

Grazie

Steven Fokkinga October 9th, 2005 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Hurd
To export in H.264 with Quicktime, you may have to buy the pro version for $30 from Apple, although there are other H.264 encoders for the PC out there. It's basically the latest generation of the mpeg-4 standard, and can play HD footage at less than 1MB/sec with no visual loss in picture quality.

There is (some) visible loss, but it's still phenomenal considering the bitrate. Too bad it runs choppy on my computer... Oh well, let the upgrade games begin (again) :)

Steven

Noah Yuan-Vogel October 9th, 2005 04:42 AM

"no visual loss in quality" sounds a lot like visually lossless, and h264 is certainly not visually lossless at 75:1 compression, even if it is very good. Also at such compression and resolution it is likely to require much more cpu power to decompress, so anyone with <3ghz intel 2ghz amd and 2 ghz g5 probably would be stuck watching it in slow mo.

glen,
what are you compressing with sheervideo? if its anything other than uncompressed >=4:2:2 footage, sheervideo will make it larger since it is a lossless format. keep in mind it supports rgb and 4:2:2 so if for example you compress dv 4:1:1, you are adding 0.25x or 0.66x the original data and then compressing it only ~2.5x. that would leave you with a file greater than twice the size of dv since dv is 5x compression. now if you are going from 8bpp to 10bpp that adds data as well (and might affect the gamma?)

Rob LaPoint October 9th, 2005 06:48 AM

I can't get it to work either, I think to view it through Bitjazz free player the file needs to be quicktime. I'm dying to see this footage though!

Dmitry Yun October 9th, 2005 11:39 AM

is this like some kind of advertisement scheme "BEST FOOTAGE" and we are all left downloading a free codec I've never heard of and then it doens't even work...hmm what's going on here man?
:)

Fredrik-Larsson October 9th, 2005 12:38 PM

I think it's encoded with the avi-beta and the free codec doesn't support avi at the moment. There are a lot of codecs on the market so it's a matter of taste.

Ben Winter October 9th, 2005 01:11 PM

I'm just posting this so I can right-click on it and save the file.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

Kyle Edwards October 9th, 2005 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Winter
I'm just posting this so I can right-click on it and save the file.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredrik-Larsson
I think it's encoded with the avi-beta and the free codec doesn't support avi at the moment. There are a lot of codecs on the market so it's a matter of taste.

Psst guys, 6 posts above both of you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Edwards
Obin is an odd fellow.

http://dv3productions.com/HD_dvx/Letus35_SHEERIVDEO.avi
(right click, save as option)

EDIT: I would guess you need to be a beta tester for the AVI version.


Ben Winter October 10th, 2005 06:58 AM

Imitation is a form of flattery.

Obin Olson October 10th, 2005 08:33 AM

I WILL encode with a new codec, in the mean time, can someone try After Effects and see if you can open it? I really don't know what the heck is going on, Sheer is great!

Kyle Edwards October 10th, 2005 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Winter
Imitation is a form of flattery.


::blushes::

Fredrik-Larsson October 10th, 2005 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obin Olson
I WILL encode with a new codec, in the mean time, can someone try After Effects and see if you can open it? I really don't know what the heck is going on, Sheer is great!

Same thing. No such avi-decoder or something.

Wayne Kinney October 10th, 2005 11:15 AM

I tried with after effects,

after effects error:no such AVI compressor

Wayne.

Joel Corkin October 10th, 2005 11:32 AM

sheer codec
 
Hi Obin,

The sheer reader is quicktime only at this stage. You must be a beta tester of the AVI version to be able to play the files. Why not encode to a .MOV file with sheer?

Joel

Steven Fokkinga October 10th, 2005 11:37 AM

Yes, I second that, I would also like to see the uncompressed footage in sheer .mov-format

Wayne Kinney October 10th, 2005 12:42 PM

3 pages long and no ones seen the video? Damn.

Oscar Spierenburg October 10th, 2005 02:47 PM

I tried to open it with wordpad...SMOKE! SMOKE!! Brand new laptop! I hear sirens coming already..

Eniola Akintoye October 10th, 2005 03:03 PM

Dude,
Can you just post the thing in another format so that we can view it?
Must it be this format only?

Michael Struthers October 10th, 2005 03:52 PM

If you want a mass audience, better find someone that can encode a video clip in formats that people actually own, like .wmv or .mov.


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