Blackmagic Intensity at DVinfo.net

Donnie Wagner · October 11th, 2006, 09:32 AM

Sony's new consumer grade HDR-HC3 has HDMI uncompressed output...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

and Blackmagic built a capture card...
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

I see that the HC3 does not have manual control of the shutter speed. The HC1 does have manual control over shutter speed. Sony givith, and sony takith away.

Does this mean 1920X1080 Uncompressed 4:2:2 for for a grand total of $1400? Assuming you have the computer to handle it.

Another really cool feature is the camera can capture 3 seconds of 240i (interlaced frames per second), and then the camera records it to tape at 60i over twelve seconds giving amazing looking slow motion shots. I'm guessing you could also shoot 6 seconds of footage of 120i.

Justine Haupt · October 12th, 2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Donnie Wagner

Another really cool feature is the camera can capture 3 seconds of 240i (interlaced frames per second), and then the camera records it to tape at 60i over twelve seconds giving amazing looking slow motion shots. I'm guessing you could also shoot 6 seconds of footage of 120i.

Wow! It's about time a camera than can do this came out. Canon, are you seeing what sony is up to??

David Delaney · October 16th, 2006, 03:03 PM

Do we have some comparison shot of this? Since it is a pretty cheap camera, it might be worth it (even though it is without manual controls).

Anton Galimzyanov · October 16th, 2006, 05:16 PM

Hmmm... bhphotovideo says:
"Manual Controls - Put yourself in control with manual settings of SHUTTER SPEED and white balance. A zoom ring, zebra pattern, Iris and spot focus give you even more control"
Donnie, am I missing something?

Michael Fossenkemper · October 16th, 2006, 07:01 PM

I played with one for a few minutes. you can control shutter speed. But the only way I found to controll focus was this push lever thing. maybe if there was a way to get it to autofocus on the GG, that might work.

Rob LaPoint · October 20th, 2006, 02:18 PM

Can you guys confirm that this camera actually outputs an uncompressed signal via its HDMI out? Or does it compress the video into HDV and then output from the HDMI? If it is actually sending un-touched HD video out the back this would be an incredible setup, close to the reel-stream!

Sharyn Ferrick · October 20th, 2006, 04:35 PM

It has been confirmed that infact via hdmi you get an uncompressed 4:2:2 stream , which as you say opens up lots of exciting possiblities

Sharyn

Donnie Wagner · October 20th, 2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anton Galimzyanov

Hmmm... bhphotovideo says:
"Manual Controls - Put yourself in control with manual settings of SHUTTER SPEED and white balance. A zoom ring, zebra pattern, Iris and spot focus give you even more control"
Donnie, am I missing something?

I was going off the Camcorderinfo.com review that says..

"In designing the HDR-HC3, Sony clearly went back to the drawing board on manual controls… and erased it. Last year’s HC1 offered manual shutter speed from 1/4 to 1/10000 and a decent focus / zoom ring. This year, the shutter speed has been dropped entirely..."
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...der-Review.htm

So I just took that for fact. never used the camera myself.

David Delaney · October 20th, 2006, 06:06 PM

Well, that turns a disappointing HC3 into a much better possibility for uncompressed video! They are pretty cheap now as well...

Brett A. Noe · November 6th, 2006, 11:01 PM

The SR1 is supposed to have even better images than the HC3. I just bought one and am testing it now. I'm going to do some tests with the Redrock M2 and see what I get. So far, even the AVCHD video looks mighty good! To my eye, as good as HDV.

I went with this instead of the HC3 for a couple of reasons:

Focus ring/Multi-function ring
Mic and Headphone jacks
Elimination of tape

I've figured out a workflow with AVCHD which, while cumbersome, gives great results. (PowerDVD 7 for codec, TMpg Xpress 4 for conversion to intermediate codec)

I didn't find out about the HDMI goodies until I had bought it. Now I'm selling my G5 to get a new Mac Pro and Intensity. For controlled studio shoots this is too good to pass up!

I J Walton · November 7th, 2006, 06:23 AM

I have a HC3 and there is no control over shutter speed. You do however have 4 settings for slow shutter effects and a fast shutter effect through the "Sports" mode. These speeds are all I need really.

There is also no focus ring, instead you have a small wheel which can be switched for either Focus or Exposure.

I would reccomend the camera to anyone, I have shot a few short films with it (using MB looks in post too) and people thought I had shot on 35mm film!

Sharyn Ferrick · November 7th, 2006, 07:56 PM

HI
Has anyone been able to test the Blackmagic Intensity? I know Blackmagic has a higher end card with HDMI and Analog Component, but has anyone looked at the Component to Hdmi converters from say Gefen, to see if they would work as a lower cost option for use with camcorders that only have component out? Has anyone looked at the Gefen VGA/Component interface also as a way to get Vga PC source material into a hd program/presentation?

Sharyn

Richard Leadbetter · November 10th, 2006, 05:29 AM

I have had a pre-order for this card for what seems like forever and there is still no news on when it will ship to my reseller.

It was supposed to be the second week of November, but that's now, and still no dice.

Paul Watkins · November 11th, 2006, 05:55 PM

please tell me that the Black Magic intensity will work with the HC1?

Paul Watkins · November 11th, 2006, 06:05 PM

never mind.

October 11th, 2006, 09:32 AM	#1
Donnie Wagner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 135	Blackmagic Intensity Sony's new consumer grade HDR-HC3 has HDMI uncompressed output... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation and Blackmagic built a capture card... http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ I see that the HC3 does not have manual control of the shutter speed. The HC1 does have manual control over shutter speed. Sony givith, and sony takith away. Does this mean 1920X1080 Uncompressed 4:2:2 for for a grand total of $1400? Assuming you have the computer to handle it. Another really cool feature is the camera can capture 3 seconds of 240i (interlaced frames per second), and then the camera records it to tape at 60i over twelve seconds giving amazing looking slow motion shots. I'm guessing you could also shoot 6 seconds of footage of 120i.

October 20th, 2006, 02:18 PM	#6
Rob LaPoint Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pavilion, USA Posts: 64	Can you guys confirm that this camera actually outputs an uncompressed signal via its HDMI out? Or does it compress the video into HDV and then output from the HDMI? If it is actually sending un-touched HD video out the back this would be an incredible setup, close to the reel-stream! __________________ Whatever works

November 6th, 2006, 11:01 PM	#10
Brett A. Noe New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 20	The SR1 is supposed to have even better images than the HC3. I just bought one and am testing it now. I'm going to do some tests with the Redrock M2 and see what I get. So far, even the AVCHD video looks mighty good! To my eye, as good as HDV. I went with this instead of the HC3 for a couple of reasons: Focus ring/Multi-function ring Mic and Headphone jacks Elimination of tape I've figured out a workflow with AVCHD which, while cumbersome, gives great results. (PowerDVD 7 for codec, TMpg Xpress 4 for conversion to intermediate codec) I didn't find out about the HDMI goodies until I had bought it. Now I'm selling my G5 to get a new Mac Pro and Intensity. For controlled studio shoots this is too good to pass up! __________________ Brett Noe \| Filmmaker Brett Noe Productions \| http://brettnoe.com

November 7th, 2006, 07:56 PM	#12
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	BLACKMAGIC Intensity with a Gefen VGA/Compoment to HDMI converter HI Has anyone been able to test the Blackmagic Intensity? I know Blackmagic has a higher end card with HDMI and Analog Component, but has anyone looked at the Component to Hdmi converters from say Gefen, to see if they would work as a lower cost option for use with camcorders that only have component out? Has anyone looked at the Gefen VGA/Component interface also as a way to get Vga PC source material into a hd program/presentation? Sharyn

November 10th, 2006, 05:29 AM	#13
Richard Leadbetter Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 323	I have had a pre-order for this card for what seems like forever and there is still no news on when it will ship to my reseller. It was supposed to be the second week of November, but that's now, and still no dice. __________________ Company Website: Digital Foundry Ltd Video Games HD Blog: Digital Foundry@Eurogamer

October 16th, 2006, 03:03 PM	#3
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Do we have some comparison shot of this? Since it is a pretty cheap camera, it might be worth it (even though it is without manual controls).

October 16th, 2006, 05:16 PM	#4
Anton Galimzyanov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 53	Hmmm... bhphotovideo says: "Manual Controls - Put yourself in control with manual settings of SHUTTER SPEED and white balance. A zoom ring, zebra pattern, Iris and spot focus give you even more control" Donnie, am I missing something?

October 16th, 2006, 07:01 PM	#5
Michael Fossenkemper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NYC, weeee. Posts: 417	I played with one for a few minutes. you can control shutter speed. But the only way I found to controll focus was this push lever thing. maybe if there was a way to get it to autofocus on the GG, that might work.

October 20th, 2006, 04:35 PM	#7
Sharyn Ferrick Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 128	It has been confirmed that infact via hdmi you get an uncompressed 4:2:2 stream , which as you say opens up lots of exciting possiblities Sharyn

October 20th, 2006, 06:06 PM	#9
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Well, that turns a disappointing HC3 into a much better possibility for uncompressed video! They are pretty cheap now as well...

November 7th, 2006, 06:23 AM	#11
I J Walton Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 40	I have a HC3 and there is no control over shutter speed. You do however have 4 settings for slow shutter effects and a fast shutter effect through the "Sports" mode. These speeds are all I need really. There is also no focus ring, instead you have a small wheel which can be switched for either Focus or Exposure. I would reccomend the camera to anyone, I have shot a few short films with it (using MB looks in post too) and people thought I had shot on 35mm film!

November 11th, 2006, 05:55 PM	#14
Paul Watkins Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: glassboro, NJ Posts: 87	please tell me that the Black Magic intensity will work with the HC1?

November 11th, 2006, 06:05 PM	#15
Paul Watkins Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: glassboro, NJ Posts: 87	never mind.