Here are some pictures of my - now almost complete - rig, featuring the Letus Extreme, the Redrock Micro add-os, and the Manhattan HD monitor.

If I were to give write-up's, I'd say that the Redrock Micro stuff is indeed of an exceptional quality, with equally great support from Brian Valente. The Manhattan monitor is also very, very good (as is the Tekkeon battery powering it), and the support from ManhattanLCD's John Reed outstanding.

Unfortunately, I cannot say I'm satisfied with the Letus Extreme performance or build quality -a real bummer! Aaron, if you read this, please do something to improve the level of Extreme users satisfaction, instead of just charging more for the Ultimate version (which merely offers improvements the Extreme should have as a standard, in the first place)...

So now the only missing thing I'm still waiting for is the NanoFlash - Mike, I'm counting on you!

Piotr, what kind of videos do you shoot with that rig?

Jay,

Mainly live classical music performances. But I also hope to start making my own feature shorts, now that I almost have a "film" rig :)

It's okay for you to boast, if it's okay for me to ask if I can borrow it.

Please pack it carefully. I will not be held responsible for damaged (or missing) items! (Grin...)

Piotr, what is the resolution of that Monitor? Do you have a link handy to point me to that exact model? The setup looks great!

Thanks!

Here you are, Jason:

https://www.manhattanlcd.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=23

Oh, and it's 1366*768 - amazing. Both Component and HDMI inputs!

Looking good Piotr, almost can't see the EX1 in there now ;)

I've never really understood the benefit of those big matte boxes, they seem to be one of those items that costs extraordinary amounts of money for very little functionality... or am I missing something?

Paul,

Apart from their main function (i.e. preventing unwanted light from entering the lens), it also holds several (mine has two) rotary filter stages; no more problems with the screwed-on versions of the IR cut, pola, or grad ND...

Paul,

Apart from their main function (i.e. preventing unwanted light from entering the lens), it also holds several (mine has two) rotary filter stages; no more problems with the screwed-on versions of the IR cut, pola, or grad ND...

Makes sense if you need to swap those kind of things in and out a lot I guess. I was considering getting one of those little cokin filter holders designed for 35mm lenses to do the same job as I'm finding I need ND on the front most of the time with my brevis if shooting in daylight.

With regards to the light getting in, does having the extra shade make a noticeable difference to the footage? Obviously direct sunlight on the lens would cause flare etc, but I can stop that with my little 35mm lens hood. Please stop me from needing another expensive part ;)

Piotr, thanks for the link... Maybe an early X-Mas present :)

Please stop me from needing another expensive part ;)

Paul, do you have a wing at the back of your family car?

;)

Sweet! I just don't think it would fit on the deck of my expedition kayak. :Þ

I have read about the Letus product not being up to scratch. However, I understand that it does work very well.

And to think that Sony marketed this camera as a hand held unit!!! HA!

Nice rig Piotr.

Don't get me wrong - the image quality I'm getting with the improved Letus achromat for EX1, and my Canon lenses, is marvellous. If I'm not totally satisfied is that a precise opto-mechanical device like this, sitting between your high-quality lens and an even higher-quality camera, should absolutely be built better than the Extreme version is.

As I wrote elsewhere, the back focus adjustment is a real pain; even if you succeed in getting it to focus at infinity, the GG can change the amplitude and frequency of vibration, making such noise that shooting with an onboard mic is simply impossible. Also, the way adjustment is done will never assure that you will leave the GG planar with the camera imagers (i.e. normal to the lens axis). This causes picture softness in one corner or even the whole (left or right, upper or lower) extremity of the frame.

Also, the way it's attached to the thread ring on the camera lens is just pathetic - unstable, flimsy, and above all, unrepeatable.

Most of the above have been fixed with the Ultimate version, for more than twice the price...

Makes sense if you need to swap those kind of things in and out a lot I guess.

Paul, this is the point - with a swinging matte box like the microMatteBox, no matter how often I change my 35mm lenses I do not need to remove the filters and then put them back again. And the price/value ratio is exceptional!

So after all, my car rear wing analogy was just a joke - a good matte box is really useful. And that it makes your rig look even more pro - well, why not? Just an extra bonus :)

Hi Piotr

Rig looks great. How does the Manhattan LCD work for your needs? What about the size?


Brian

Thanks Brian.

The Manhattan monitor works great; however I guess I will need a deep hood when shooting in bright sunshine. As to its size - yes, it's big (but not too heavy); right now I'm only using it on the tripod, in the configuration exactly as depicted in this thread.

I will have to develop a way of mounting it to my current shoulder mount (I have the PAG Orbitor) - should it prove difficult or impossible, who knows? Perhaps I'll be buying the microShouldermount :)

Makes sense if you need to swap those kind of things in and out a lot I guess. I was considering getting one of those little cokin filter holders designed for 35mm lenses to do the same job as I'm finding I need ND on the front most of the time with my brevis if shooting in daylight.

With regards to the light getting in, does having the extra shade make a noticeable difference to the footage? Obviously direct sunlight on the lens would cause flare etc, but I can stop that with my little 35mm lens hood. Please stop me from needing another expensive part ;)

Sorry for the thread hijack but i saw this and thought i'd add:

Paul - i am using a Lee 100mm filter system on the front of my EX (it was very compact for travelling) along with a wide screen bellows style shade. It works pretty well, i use it for grads and things on the front. Quite a bit cheaper than a full size box and the bellows folds up really small which was great for travelling (the reason i went for it). It also looks quite nice.

Minus points are that you cannot really rotate with it (although you can use a SLR rotating polariser through the box. And it's a bit more delicate than a proper box.

But it does the job and does it pretty well.

I'll see if i can take a photo later?

cheers
paul

And Piotr, a nice set up. Although i suspect you'd need a better tripod? How do you find the 503? I have one and think it's pretty awful, i really need to get something better...

And Piotr, a nice set up. Although i suspect you'd need a better tripod? How do you find the 503? I have one and think it's pretty awful, i really need to get something better...

You're absolutely right - even though in my humble opinion, the 503 is NOT as bad as they say, my rig is definitely becoming too heavy for it. Well, in theory at least, because -

- in reality, after it's got overloaded like this, the 503 head movements have actually become much smoother than with the camera alone; no back-springing, etc.

Also (this is not visible in the pics I posted), I'm using the Manfrotto apron (or sack), located between the 525 legs and - with some heavy stuff in it (like my PAG brick battery) - it also increases the overall stability, simply by lowering the CoG point.

Piotr,

I have the Manhattan LCD and the Micro Shoulder mount rig. It is not too bad but I need to find a better way to balance it with the monitor onboard. My EX1 is away being upgraded at the moment but I will try post some pix when I get back.

Dan

Here's a shot of my ex1/Letus setup from earlier this week with a Cooke 25-250 zoom. By the way the v2 rod bracket is MUCH better.

-Sean

Here's a shot of my ex1/Letus setup from earlier this week with a Cooke 25-250 zoom. By the way the v2 rod bracket is MUCH better.

-Sean

holy crap that rocks

Sean... this is extreme !!! :)
How is the V2 rods with "normal" lenses ? handheld ?
Is it that helpfull to have half of the rig lower ?

Piotr, you're making me crazy. I'm about to buy a Letus extreme, but your post just scared me. I don't have the money (or want) to buy the ultimate, which is FAR too expensive.
Do you have any experience with other 35mm adapter, like the mini35 or the Cinevat ?

Thanks.

Do you have any experience with other 35mm adapter, like the mini35 or the Cinevat ?

Thanks.

Sebastien,

I must admit I have no hands-on experience with any other adapter. P+S Technik is something definitely a class of its own as far as build quality is concerned, but their solutions are terribly expensive.

I wouldn't like to scare you away from Letus; as I said once it's working, it can produce really marvellous picture (even with my Canon lenses, definitely not as good as Zeiss or even Nikkor). And this is what I mean: it just lacks a couple of those little touches here and there in its design and craftsmanship, that could make it a really great gear.

I haven't used my LEX for a month or so (have been busy with multi-EX1 projects that didn't require a 35mm adapter); it was stored in its nice case. Before I stowed it away, it had been adjusted perfectly (or at least as good as it only can be); now my back focus is off again, and it's as noisy as a lawnmower...

The Letus Direct support is of course willing to fix it for me under warranty, but living in EU, I somehow cannot make my mind up and send it to them - the hassle with customs (both ways) scares me away. I would send it in spite of it, but - with this design - I somehow cannot imagine the adjustment they would do lasting any longer than my own!

But you're right - the Ultimate is definitely too expensive. As I said before, the changes between the Ultimate and Extreme versions are such that they should be part of a natural Extreme "evolution", not something justifying the almost 4x higher price tag!

I'm in the EU too (France) and I'm really disapointed with the Letus Extreme.
I know that once perfectly adjusted it can be damn good, like Philip Bloom shorts.
I only have one EX1, and I may have to switch with/without the Lex often. I can't spend time on adjustments each time, especialy if a so simple back focus problem leads to a one hour adjustements....

I was near ready to order, but (and it's not only your words) I really think I'll wait a little bit and try to get more informations about other adaptors.
Maybe the real problem is that a good 35mm converter is really expensive and the ultimate is in the right price range. So the extreme is just a cheap indy gear, kind of cool regarding its price.

Is the solution to wait and get more money to afford an Ultimate... ?
(While I'm at it, rigs are also TOO expensive, and the ultimate need a V2, almost twice the price of the V1 Letus rods... )

The v2 rods effectively do what the zacuto rig does, and have close to the same build quality so they work great with whatever lenses you want to use. In addition to the Cooke I had zeiss super speed primes on there as well for that job. As far as handheld, the v2 rods have much less twist in them, and I'm ordering a redrock handheld kit to mount to them. I prefer to flip the Letus 180 degrees to lower the camera, although I couldn't in this case because I needed the length to support the zoom. I've been using the extreme for about 6 months, and have had similar experiences to other users including edge softness, etc. however it has yet to be a deal breaker. The ultimate is a different adapter, and it's a bit unfair to compare the extreme to it and say that the features it has should have been on the extreme to start. Precision engineering costs more, and if you want that expect to pay several thousand dollars for it (an arri FF4 follow focus costs more than the ultimate anyway). I agree Piotr that the depth adjustment is a joke, and at first was a bit annoyed, but I've come to terms with it. Using a 50mm super speed, a resolution chart, and a digital caliper I have my depth set fairly close, and to get it any closer I'll purchase the upgrade to the Letus Elite ($599). Once the ground glass is set and clean, it works very well considering the price point. I will quite often remove it when the job doesn't warrant it, and the only adjustments I have to make are fine tuning the rotation and focusing the camera on the GG, which you have to do anyway when you power down the camera. Including time to mount the rod bracket it's about 10 minutes before I'm ready to shoot. At this point I've done several smaller jobs and a feature length film with this setup, and I'm overall very pleased with it.

In terms of build quality I have to say that Cinevate are way up there in this respect. Both the Brevis and and the Proteus rods are very well put together. The rods are solid carbon fibre, so as well as being lighter and stronger, they are cool looking too!

I am having some issues with the Brevis though, which is more related to it's combination with the EX1 than build quality etc. More info on my blog at Brevis and the dark side(s) | Paul Joy (http://www.pauljoy.com/?p=381)

Thanks Sean and Paul.
It effectively seems the Cinevate rods are cool, solid etc.
As stated on you forum, it's strange you're having problems with the Brevis, as Philip don't...
Whatever, the Brevis seems to be longer than the Letus, which can also be a problem in some cases. Would this also have an impact on the light lost in the adaptor ?

It seems the real answer is waiting to have the money for the Ultimate :(

How about the Letus Elite, with the backfocus ring (http://www.store.zacuto.com/letus35-elite-with-back-focus-adjustment.html)? Is it the same as the Extreme + the back focus ? Will this solve most of the problems ?

I've got to play devils advocate here a bit.

I've not seen any really good footage from any of these adaptors (and i'd been looking) and i would urge people to really consider whether they really need one. I believe they are a short term solution and quite over played. All show various aberations and have serious limitations (stopping down) making them quite impractical for day to day shooting. If you have a real paying reason for one then sure. And while i'm as obsessed with shallow DOF as the next of us, there's a lot more to a composition than that and you can achieve great results with lighting and traditional production values.

Commonplace 2/3rds sensors are just around the corner and the prospect of 35mm aren't that far behind. Look at the ikonoscope camera, which is probably the price of an EX1 + adaptor but looks a whole lot more practical.

A lot of these demo videos are low resolution and even then you can see the distortions even in the bokeh. Philip Blooms work is excellent because of him, not the adaptors.

this is all imho and i don't mean to offend anyone but how many of you actually have the adaptor on all the time and take it out of shoots? Even piotr mentions having it in a case.

Buy some nice lights instead :)

cheers
paul

Paul,

having the best hardware will not make you a better cameraman. Composition, light, action and play are also part of the beauty.
There are some time where, for the EX1, but most of not 35mm sensors too, you REALLY want to have some DOF. This DOF you can't have with the original lens.
I may not be as good a Philip Bloom, of course, but even if I'm doing crap, I just would like my crap to look like I think it should.
That's it :)

Then, I bought the EX1 less than a year ago, and I don't think I will wait and spend again for the next generation. Moreover, I still dont use half of the possibilities of the EX1.
But thank you for having pointed that out (and sorry for all the others for beeing so far from the original subject of this thread.)

Just wanted to say that Paul is right to a much greater extent that one might think, IMO...

Piotr, if it's not too much trouble, would you post a pix from the other side of the camera so we can see how you've got the monitor attached. thanks.

Piotr, if it's not too much trouble, would you post a pix from the other side of the camera so we can see how you've got the monitor attached. thanks.

Here you go, Mike.

As you can see, the Manfrotto articulated arm is fixed to the tripod handle with a Manfrotto clamp. I have yet to experiment with the best position; the way 2 segments of the arm are positioned now prevents the monitor from wiggling; should it stay this way I'd probably shorten the upper segment so it doesn't stick backwards like this...

My turn.

It's not an EX1, but I'm pretty proud of my rig...

LOL -- Good one, Ted.

At least you have studio space.

Sorry, no studio space, that was photoshopped as well.

love the light,
sound is very good too :)
but the tripod is just amazing!

My turn.

It's not an EX1, but I'm pretty proud of my rig...

Can you explain why you chose to go with the halogen bulb? Who's car did you lift that battery from? I bet they are upset.

Also are you having luck plugging your mic directly into the USB port, or are you using so sort of adapters? I've had good luck with [usb][gum][trs][rca][xlr]

Lastly, on your tripod, is that white pine?

The halogen bulb was chosen because it is a watt-miser bulb and I'm concerned about global warming and it doesn't get hot.

The mic cable is actually a 1/8" plug. Since I can no longer afford adapters, I just ripped the end off and jammed the wires into the XLR jacks. As you recommended, I did use gum to hold it there.

And, sorry, it's yellow pine. This makes it a huge upgrade to my particle board model.

That's quality stuff Ted. After spending hours reading through other tech heavy stuff here in the forum, that was a much needed break of laughter. Thanks.

how is the pan and tilt on that tri-pod? Also do they make a quad-pod? I was thinking of upgrading to four.

And Piotr, a nice set up. Although i suspect you'd need a better tripod? How do you find the 503? I have one and think it's pretty awful, i really need to get something better...

OK, so I start to feel like upgrading my tripod/head... if I wanted to upgrade not just the head, but the whole system - from Manfrotto to Miller DS20 for instance...

Well, for this rig, consisting (at its max, ca. 10kg) of:

- EX1 camera
- Letus Extreme + lens
- microMatteBox etc
- extra batteries, Nano Flash, light etc.
- Manhattan HD monitor

Which Miller DS20 system would you recommend? The 850 or the 1514?

Basically, I'd like to know to pros and cons of the carbon-without-spreader legs DS20 (1514), and the alloy-with-spreader, Miller DS20 (850) systems. Both basing on the renowned DS20 head, of course.

I somehow got used to having a spreader, but opinions welcome :)

Or pehaps the Libec LS-70?

I use the DS20 1514 with my EX-1 / EX-3 setup and it is pretty damn good. The legs are fantastic. I don' t miss the spreader.

However with what you are running you may want to wait a little for the new heads coming early next year, not much info yet but I saw one and they are the biz.

Dan

I've been told by my miller dealers that the new low end miller heads wont be available for a while.. definitely not early next year..

What have you heard Dan? im really keen for one, i have a DS10 right now.. and need a second tripod for my new Ex1. Im almost tempted to get an arrow 25 with springer legs for some major future proofing. The 25 is an amazing head, with the tension turned all the way down to 1 or 0 (cant remember how far it goes) its got less resistance than the DS20 head.

Oh and Piotr, if you need to buy now, definitely go with the 1514. I own the carbon fibre legs and have used the Alloy 2 stage legs.. they are abit cheap for my liking and dont offer anything over the Solo legs..

Thanks guys for your input - the Miller DS20 Solo really looks sexy.

I have perhaps a provocative question: there seems to be a consensus that Manfrotto products are not good enough for rigs like that. But has anyone tried their top-of-the line kits, like the 526 head on the 528, or 350 legs?

Do you have any footage with the setup you have, using that huge Cooke Prime? Images have to be stunning, post some if you can.

Thanks again,
Danny