[QUOTE= but since Apple offers QuickTime decoders for Apple ProRes files for both the Mac and the PC, it is still a useful codec for users who are not working specifically with Final Cut Pro or even a Mac.

Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California[/QUOTE]

Hello. The ProRes Quicktime decoder for Windows is only 8 bits, 10 bit is truncated. This makes impossible high-quality work in Windows with ProRes.

Manuel L. - I checked with Apple directly and they informed me that Apple ProRes 422 files are indeed 10-bit on Windows using the decoder.

What you might be thinking of is the shortcoming of some applications to interpret QuickTime files on Windows at 10-bit. For a Windows app to get 10 bit sample values out of ProRes, the app itself needs to correctly interpret 10-bit QuickTime files, otherwise the decoder will only deliver 8-bit.

Hope this clarifies things,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California

Mr. Thorn thanks for your reply.
But, which app correctly interpret 10-bit QuickTime files on windows?
I have Adobe CS4 on Vista64, and for Adobe app ProRes is only 8 bit. By the way, quicktime files on Blackmagic Uncompressed 10 bit codec is correctly interpreted.

Manuel L. - I checked with Apple directly and they informed me that Apple ProRes 422 files are indeed 10-bit on Windows using the decoder.

What you might be thinking of is the shortcoming of some applications to interpret QuickTime files on Windows at 10-bit. For a Windows app to get 10 bit sample values out of ProRes, the app itself needs to correctly interpret 10-bit QuickTime files, otherwise the decoder will only deliver 8-bit.

Hope this clarifies things,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California

Hi John

Would I be able to import this recorders h264 files into windows version of after effects 7? Or Vegas 9

TIA

Mark

The first firmware release for Ki Pro will not include support for the latest Apple ProRes LT and Apple ProRes Proxy codecs, but this support will be added with a firmware update. All firmware updates for Ki Pro will be free of charge. Apple ProRes 4444 will not be supported on Ki Pro since it is a 4:2:2 recorder and does not feature dual link 1.485Gbps or 3Gbps SDI to support 4:4:4 input.

Hope, as always, that this information is helpful,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.

Apple's newly released "White Paper" helps to shed some much need light on the ProRes technology in Final Cut Studio 3.0.

http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper_July_2009.pdf

What is still a mystery is precisely what version of ProRes the AJA KiPro supports at this stage of deployment? The AJA web site is short on details as what versions are actually supported. So following Jon's response (above) we know that the KiPro will not support three of the five members of Apple's "ProRes Family." Future firmware will add "LT" and "Proxy" support. What remains to be answered is -- does the KiPro support Apple's July 2009 White Paper ProRes codecs termed ProRes 422(HQ) and ProRes 422?

It would be extremely helpful if AJA could provide some 3-dimensional thinking/graph in it's marketing response/information - at the very least on it's web page. Thanks in advance.

Manuel L. - Since Apple ProRes 422 QuickTime files are 10-bit in Windows via the Apple ProRes QuickTime Decoder, perhaps the issue is simply a setting in Premiere Pro. After speaking with some of the AJA staff that are more familiar with Premiere Pro, they suggested you look at how the Sequence Settings>Video Previews>Codec is set.

Mark David W. - The Ki Pro does not record H.264 files, but Apple ProRes 422 and Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) QuickTime files. With the Apple ProRes QuickTime Decoder for Windows installed, you should be able to import the QuickTime files that Ki Pro creates into Adobe After Effects 7 or Sony Vegas 9.

Barry A. - The Ki Pro will initially support Apple ProRes 422 and Apple ProRes 422 (HQ) as defined in the Apple whitepaper that you referred to in your post.

Regards,
Jon Thorn
Product Manager
AJA Video Systems, Inc.
California

No, in After Effects CS4 (in Vista64 system and quicktime 7.6) quicktime files with blackmagic Uncompressed 10 bit codec is correctly interpreted (10 bits), but quicktime ProRes 10 bit files are truncate to 8 bits. For After Effects ProRes is only 8 bits. And it is very important for color grading and VFX.

No, in After Effects CS4 (in Vista64 system and quicktime 7.6) quicktime files with blackmagic Uncompressed 10 bit codec is correctly interpreted (10 bits), but quicktime ProRes 10 bit files are truncate to 8 bits. For After Effects ProRes is only 8 bits. And it is very important for color grading and VFX.

Manuel,

Why do you think that the ProRes is being truncated?

Can you describe your workflow in more detail?

Thanks,

When I import Quicktime ProRes 10 bit files in After Effects CS4 (in Vista 64) and I apply a level efect, the histogram is not continue, it is truncated. This not happen with another quicktime 10 bit codec. See attached.

Just received an email from AJA. The Ki Pro is now shipping.

That's great news at last, I hope they shipping overseas orders simultaneously this may just save me. I checked the AJA web site and found that they have also posted the Ki Pro manual and quick start documentation for download.

We got the word yesterday afternoon. Lots of backorders at AJA, so I don't know when we'll actually get our first shipments.

As you would expect, we've put together some mighty aggressive bundles with KiPro and the new FCS3 to get things launched. Videoguys.com KiPro Bundles (http://www.videoguys.com/Search/Search.aspx?Query=KIPROFCS3)

Gary

Wonder why B&H has pushed back their arrival time to October? I really want one of these, now!

Like I said, lots of backorders placed by dealers with AJA. We put our order in right after NAB, as I'm sure B&H did. It's going to be tight availability for a while.

Right now we have more units on order with Aja then backorders to customers. So if you place your order with us, you should get from our first shipment. Unfortunately as of today, I can't give you a firm date when that will be.

Gary

Hey Gary, do you guys have the Ki Pro available for rental?