LHORIZON and I were chatting about the film look ect in the Filmlook vs Pro look post. When I said in one of my post:

"...The point isn't to make your own style (to some maybe it is) but to most people I talk to the point is fun and profit (not to mention hot chicks :) ). Many people doing this are looking to get a film deal or self distribute..."

He said:

"...Yes, indeed, fun/profit/ and of course smoldering babes. My point regarding this remark was not to sweat it and get on with it with whatever you have..."

Of course there was more to both of these but lets ask the obvious question. Which cams will get the smoldering babes?

I think the XL1s has the most potential but I think the VX2K and GL2 both have good possibilities as well. The DVX100 has a hot look too. Think about it. :)

-Vinson

Knowing this will probably be deleted, I say:

The XL1s - it has the longest lenses ( in addition to the regular lenses, just imagine the EOF adapter and some ridiculously long telephoto lens). On the other hand, the babes might assume you are compensating with your long lenses, and go after the guy with the GL2 or the Panasonic.

Aha... so adding matte boxes, external monitors, viewfinders, additional lenses, XLR adapters, external mics, big pro-level tripods, steadycam etc...

So its all for the chicks (and lets not exclude the other gender) and the hot studs? Now that explains a lot :) I guess my PD100 just aint up to the "standards". Time to start buying some acessories :)

Ps. it's a silly discussion with a little flake of truth in it. Clients can react to the camera gear looking "small & hobbyish" Ds.

Which cam will get you the "smoldering babes"?

The one with your credit cards taped to the outside.

Oops.

I don't know....The more stuff I have strapped to my xl1s, the more I seem to attract the attention of 50 year old men. I think the smouldering babes are attracted to power.... so maybe a bigger battery.

Barry

Get a Betacam with Anton Bauer batteries then.

A matte box makes any camera "Hollywood status". The only thing missing at that point is the micky mouse ears style Film Cartridges.

best way to get the smoldering babes is explain that one of those tripod legs is not really part of the tripod.

kermie

Indeed...

I think a combination of the above tacked prominantly on the XL1S Camera could yield excellent results.

Another might try having someone else holding the camera, while you explain how you would place them, the would-be smouldering subject, in your film. As the director/producer...

The bigger battery works to attract. Its how you use it... HAR HAR


Cheers!

On the other hand, the XL1S also attracts security guards...

So the consensus is that carrying around an XL-1 doesn't attract smoldering babes, but does attract 50 year-old men and security guards?

That does it...time to put the camera in the closet and start carrying around an electric guitar.

It's sad, but I've had more men come up to talk to me about the camera than women. Now if I had it with me at a night club, that would probably all change real fast.

Ok...it's time to settle this...I asked my smouldering-babe girlfriend which camera she liked best...and she said she really has no interest in cameras whatsoever...only photographers...so probably we better all start working on our abs rather than our accessories.

Barry

Yes, it does attract Security Personel with nothing-else-better-to-do than strut their pow-A.

Let someone else hold the camera while they look at you enamored for directing the production. Its not only the technology, or the cool physical design of the XL1S Sculpture. Thats the hook.

HAR HAR

Like the above post, the camera peaks interest, but it is the human 'photographer.' The Smoldering Woman on this side agrees with the above and importantly moi. HAR HAR :-)

An interesting test... To go to Union Square or Times Square and drop the lure...

Hahaha Kermie, spoken like a true Aussie bloke!...And no, of course I wasn't thinking of anything like that myself ;)

<<<-- Originally posted by DocuWild : So its all for the chicks (and lets not exclude the other gender) and the hot studs? Now that explains a lot :) -->>>

The hot studs are easy. We guys go gaga for a babe with a cam.

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : I don't know....The more stuff I have strapped to my xl1s, the more I seem to attract the attention of 50 year old men. I think the smouldering babes are attracted to power.... so maybe a bigger battery. -->>>

You're not doing something right. :)

<<<-- Originally posted by LHORIZON : Indeed...

I think a combination of the above tacked prominantly on the XL1S Camera could yield excellent results.

Another might try having someone else holding the camera, while you explain how you would place them, the would-be smouldering subject, in your film. As the director/producer... -->>>

The ladies better keep an eye on LHORIZON. He's got a method to the madness.

<<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : It's sad, but I've had more men come up to talk to me about the camera than women. Now if I had it with me at a night club, that would probably all change real fast. -->>>

Sounds to me like you've got a whole new angle to work. Nightclub movies.

I say you have to roll up like a big shot, and let all the ladies know you shoot digital like Lucas. (No need to explain the HD v.s. DV difference). If I had an XL1s I'd have to have one of those folding chairs for directors and I'd jump around alot no matter what scene was shooting. I'd allways move like I was shooting a major action scene (note it'll be a static shot of two people talking).

Now if you're not shooting with the XL but the GL2 or VX2K then the tripod is key. That adds the total pro look. Then later on you can invite a hottie back to the studio to check out the dailies, especially if you and Dylan are shooting Nightclub movies. (I'm having way to much fun with this topic).

-Vinson

"Checking out the dailies...." Yes.. and since we're shooting DV and not Film, we blame some errand boy that don't have any dailies to look at... so WHAAAAT should we do then.... *hint hint nudge nudge poke wink wink*

(Yes, i know you could get out the DV tape and show her but where's the fun in that)

(and i too have to much fun with this topic :)

At Roll Cast Productions......we go back to the clubs & lodges in town<insert small town America> after a long day of shooting & fishing.

The smoldering babes go for the camera jockey with the XL1s, and after the 1st jockey goes over all it's features, we switch out camera jock's and film the "conversations" with the smoldering babes after they are comfortable........

Watching the footage later in a sober state.........I know why I don't consume alcohol for a "sport" any more <;P

I volunteer to take my XL1 down to the beach and try to pick up babes. All in the name of market research of course. Just have to ask my fiancee if it's OK with her first. I'm sure she'll say yes. ;)

You definitely have to report back to us on that one.

-Vinson

Just tell em you're with "Girls Gone Wild" or "Wild On (insert name of region to which beach belongs)"

artstar,

You want to meet women? Here's a couple of good places.

1) Summer time at Grand Beach, especially during long weekends. Grand Beach is about 45 miles north of Winnipeg.

2) Winnipeg Socials (every weekend - winter to summer)

3) Summer time anywhere in small town Minnisota, North Dakota, and South Dakota. I used to like the lake area of Northeastern Minnisota.

4) The Midwest.

5) Florida

Good luck.

i get more chicks with my boom than with the camera rig.

At my spot in life if I get a smoldering babe I grab a fire extinguisher and put her out :0)
KennJ

The XL-1(s) has my vote for attraction power. I've walked into clubs and other guys have vx2000's shooting away and they all wilt when they see me pull out the XL-1. They really shouldn't because the vx2000 is a good camera but the cool look of the Canon just blows away the sony(all sony's). The women look at it as if it's a weapon/super camera, but looking like a pro you can pull off things the other guys can't.

One example, went up to Tokyo, was shooting a goth/metal band event, saw one woman with a wicked corset on, asked her to model for me there in the club, shot some video with the XL-1, got her email address and told her I would send some video captures and also said I would like to properly shoot her with her corset and other cool clothes if I came back up to Tokyo again. One month later she calls and says she'll be in Osaka where I live in a few days and wants to come over for the shoot. I shot a bunch of video of her in her corsets here at my place. I wonder if she would have reacted the same way if I had a smaller handycam type camera. I like to think the look of the XL-1 had a big part of it.

one funny thing out of this, she forgot her high heels shoes at my place, so when I went to Tokyo about 2 weeks ago, I took them with me to give them back to her, we didn't get to meet up so I was running around with my friend filming a metal band and I told him the story so he wouldn't get any weird ideas of me with a pair of leather high heels in my backpack with all my camera gear.

Dylan's idea sound great, in the name of "research" take the same guy using an XL-1(s), VX2000, and the new panny 24p. see how many girls he can pick up with each camera, looks like the making of a new article for the watchdog.

Now women shooting with an XL-1 is very, very sexy, not to mention way cooler than a guy holding the XL-1. My wife won't shoot with it, says it's too heavy, she'd rather use my old sony vx-1000, but she still looks great hold the sony!

And as for security guards, they would much rather be us shooting with these cool cameras than doing their job, so in their jealous reaction, they do the only thing they can do in their position, mess with us. At least that has been my experience here.

In regards to the night club movies, one way to win them over is to hand them the camera and tell them to shoot some video of you. Now they have all probably shot video with the smaller cameras, but have never touched an XL-1(s) before. Yours could be their first one!!! This will work equally with male or female XL-1(s) owners. So the next time you see a cute guy or girl and you want to meet them, a sure way to get their attention is give them the camera and tell them to shoot some video of you.

have you guys seen what the Panasonic AGDVX100 looks like with the Bellows type Matte Box attached from Cavision?

Take a look:

http://homepage.mac.com/fredthorsen/Photo_Albums/PhotoAlbum8.html

All I can say is "WOW".

Dylan, if we don't hear back from you soon then we'll assume your still at the genitalia re-attachment clinic and you're fiance didn't take to the question too kindly. :)

<<<-- Originally posted by daremo1971 : have you guys seen what the Panasonic AGDVX100 looks like with the Bellows type Matte Box attached from Cavision?

All I can say is "WOW". -->>>

That looks pretty sexy.

Though for some reason it makes me want to play "Battlezone".

There's liable to be a shoot out if I walk into a place with that thing. That's not a camera, that's one of the armies new tactical weapons.

-Vinson

<<<-- Originally posted by Keith Loh : <<<-- Originally posted by daremo1971 : have you guys seen what the Panasonic AGDVX100 looks like with the Bellows type Matte Box attached from Cavision?

All I can say is "WOW". -->>>

That looks pretty sexy.

Though for some reason it makes me want to play "Battlezone". -->>>

I drove by Cavision Friday on my way home. I was too scared to go in. I had my credit card with me. Safer to just drive on. Seriously, if I went in, I'd have bought one once I saw it on the end of an XL1 in person. Damn, now I want one again. Good thing tomorrow is Sunday.

I totally want a foreskin for my Xl1.

I'm getting one. Is there anything special I need to know about ordering from Canada?

Yes. The US, Canada and Mexico have a free trade agreement. Hope that helps.

Grrrrr. I was just saying. . .I've never ordered anything from out of the country.

Canada is roughly 35% cheaper! WOO WOO!

If you can find it, $$$, not marked up and fiddled with.

I bought some K2 AXIS PRO Skis there for practically nothing.

<<<-- Originally posted by Keith Loh : I totally want a foreskin for my Xl1 -->>>

LOL!!! That's so totaly rude.

Josh, be prepared to pay taxes on it when it enters the US. Also, be warned if you ship UPS they will want to charge you an extra handling fee for dealing with customs for you. At least $50. USPS does this for free. I've never used FedEx so I don't know about them. I've had some big ticket items come in to Canada from the US using UPS and never paid tax on them, but I've also paid $80 in tax +UPS handling fee on top of a $70 item. It's like Russian Roulette with UPS.

I hear bad stories about USPS, but I've never ever had a problem with them, and if your item is insured, what's the diff?

Maybe someone can give opinions on FedEx?

Usually brokerage is included with the next day or second day service. This turns out to be cheaper than the so called economy rates when the extra charges are factored in. Call UPS and Fed Ex and ask. Coming out of canada, into the US Purolator Courier does a really fine job. I ship paperwork or small items from Barrie, Ontario to Niles Michigan every week. For $27.17 Canadian ($17.50 US) , the pack is in Niles at 9:30 am, next morning and the brokerage is included.

http://www.cavision.com/

The Matte box could definitely hit big with the chicks.

-Vinson

All this talk of rods and hard shells is just the type of thing to get the chicks.

This thing is getting way off topic, so I thought I'd bring it back. Saw Femme Fatale last night. Still trying to figure out if it was a waste of film stock or not, but newcomer-actress-supermodel Rie Rasmussen....holy toledo....

Anyway I did a google search on her this morning and came across this interview with her. Despite my opinions previously stated....this is one girl who gets a little tingle when she sees a camera... check it out.

http://models.com/model_culture/tales_model/rie/

Barry

Just to alert the readers, I'm going to split the Cavision part out and into it's own topic tonight, when I have more time.

Jeff

Done. The Cavision matte box discussion went here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4856&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

Than you Barry :) Was getting a bit worried that we turned a perfectly example of male (even though we haven't been sexist and turned away the gals yet. Everything said can be applied for the other gender aswell) hormone sprouting with a twist of nerdyness (tech & babes) into a pure technological discussion.

=)

You Guy's just be careful that you don't pick up some DV disease and get hot pixels and dropped frames.

Chris

I always cover my lens.

I've seen several opinions here that it's okay to have unprotected shooting. They say a UV filter is just another way to cause lens flares, and that the coatings on the lenses themselves are plenty strong.

I'd rather err on the side of caution.

It's a personal comfort level. I don't use protective filters. If the manufacture thought it needed protection, they'd have put the filter there to begin with. However, some people feel more comfortable with an extra piece of glass up front. Certainly the front element can be damaged by dropping, etc. That's what I own insurance for. Now, if you don't own insurance and feel that your prone to damaging your equipment or can't afford the costly repair, out of your pocket. Then put a filter on it.

But if you need to get every ounce of performance out of the great Canon optics then forgo the filter unless you have a reason to put one on (color correction, polarizer, diffusion etc.)

Jeff

Well, I suppose when I'm shooting in familiar conditions, and don't mind the consequences of the risks, I don't need a filter. But I always keep a spare one in my kit just in case.

I agree Jeff. I want to keep one on there, as it makes me feel better, but I'm always paranoid about dust and spots and the like, that don't seem to show up nearly as much on the lens glass itself. Every single time I looked at that filter, it was filthy! And I just realized the one I'd been using was coloring my video a little.