Windows 7 x64 Vegas Pro10.0c 64bit

I put a large avi in the time line and it plays audio only. It's a 3.67 GB file. Windows media player plays it fine. Windows Live Movie Maker plays and allows work on it fine.

Other smaller avi files do fine in Vegas.

Whats up? I have reset all preferences opening while holding the Ctrl & Shift keys.

Edit, it says media off line.

have you dl'd wmp codec updates?

can you run it through gspot / mediainfo and give details?

where did it come from, ie. camera?

AVI is like a paper sack. It can hold whatever you put into it. Obviously the file you're having problems with uses a different codec than the files you're not having problems with. Use the programs mentioned above to see what codec is used by that file.

have you dl'd wmp codec updates?

can you run it through gspot / mediainfo and give details?

where did it come from, ie. camera?

Thanks,

Update, I have updated to Pro 10.0d with no change.

OK, it is from a Chinese KeyFob spy camera. I have ran these files in Vegas before with no probs.
I guess now I should mention this is a fresh install from a complete machine refresh in Formatting and full re-installation of all ware.
I did not think it to matter until I just went to run files that worked in Vegas before the refresh are now off line. So they are camera specific.

Never heard of gspot / mediainfo but will google and get back soon. I did not have any problems before though. Ugh!

Here is the Gspot, Do I need to run the other?

It says it's Motion JPEG and Vegas Pro 10.0d should be able to handle MJPEG fine. Did the camera come with a disc that you installed previously but not on this new install? You obviously had the necessary codec installed previously.

I am at a loss. A bit of a rookie I don't understand it.

The MicroSD card is the same card used previously.

Here is the properties from Vegas,

General
Name: SUNP0001.AVI
Folder: E:\Videos (Full)\Montalvo
Type: Video for Windows
Size: 31.72 MB (32,478,136 bytes)
Created: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 9:47:58 PM
Modified: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 10:45:18 AM
Accessed: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 9:47:58 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:00:20.665, 30.873 fps, 720x480x24, Sony Motion JPEG
Audio: 00:00:20.480, 22,050 Hz, 16 Bit, Mono, Uncompressed

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: aviplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 10.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\aviplug
Format: Video for Windows
Version: Version 1.2 (Build 13099) 64-bit
Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.

Allen,

Just as a side note, you might want to download VLC, the free media player. It seems to play those AVI video files for which Windows Media Player only plays audio. Of course, this won't solve you problem, but it will verify that there IS video in the AVI file.
VideoLAN - Official page for VLC media player, the Open Source video framework! (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/)

Ken

It is Vegas specific as everything else will play them. I have Googled it and the problem is common but the solution not.

Well I am disappointed a program of this caliber would fall short on such a simple task. I went googling and fount the following text. Its a shame if I am going to have to use another FREE program to make a $700.00 program work

"You can run it through virtualdub and kick out the separate streams and
put them in vegas and it will do just fine."

I went into VDub and cannot fathom the kicking out of the additional streams, so if I can get a jumper from an experience hand here?

I did experiment with Create Sparse AVI and it made Vegas see it but with a quality hit.

Sigh!

Allen, "AVI" is not a video format - it's just a "type of file". As you showed above, it appears the "video format" is really MJPEG. Now, Vegas Pro 10 DOES have an MJPEG reader but, it seems, for some reason it does not like that specific file. I would still consider installing a different MJPEG decoder and try it again. If you search for MJPEG you'll find a couple of options.

Now, why can other readers play it but Vegas can't? Vegas uses "Video for Windows" (VfW) codecs. If you don't have the appropriate VfW codec installed, Vegas won't see it. What about Media Player? It also uses "DirectX" codecs. So if you have a DirectX codec installed but do not have a VfW codec installed - that would explain the difference.

Thank Edward, its beginning to make sense.

If I can push you for a safe link or place to grab them?

I searched out the codecs and they all seem to have spam ware, or something fishy about them. Lots of trap links leading you to believe you are getting codecs and they are really players or converters.

I go into Win7 Device manager to the Sound, video and game controllers and there is no Codecs listed like in XP. Is that the way for Win7 or is that my prob?

Thanks

You need to search THIS site for MJPEG. Here's a couple:

Home: MainConcept (http://www.mainconcept.com/site/prosumer-products-4/motion-jpeg-codec-785/information-797.html)

Morgan Multimedia - Home of the MM MJPEG video codec. (http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/technicalsV3.htm)

Its getting really frustrating being over my head.
I cannot afford Main concept and I installed the Morgan but it did not work.

It (Morgan) shows its running in my tray but Vegas is still not run the file correctly. I downloaded it and ran the install is all.
I look in the Vegas plugins folders and see no change. I was thinking I would see new codecs there.

I have been Googling my Butt off. I found many complains like mine and a success story how the 32bit .dll was swapped with the 64bit and it worked for lots of them but not I.

I have attached a sample file (I had to rename it to a .wmv to get it to upload so rename it to .avi)
from the DVR that will not work right. If I do an import/capture from my Panasonic GS500 it does fine. But from the covert keyfob DVR is my problem child.

Perhaps you guys can see if it will show the video in your version of Vegas and we can go from there?

thanks

Perhaps you guys can see if it will show the video in your version of Vegas and we can go from there?

For what it’s worth, it does not show the video in my 64-bit Vegas 10.d. Only the audio.

No problem getting the video (or the audio) in VLC. So, if nothing else works, I would use VLC to convert it to a different format.

Thanks, I have Aimersoft I can use but what a shame. Big dollars paid and such a simple task.

Wouldn't that be a quality hit converting it to .wmv and then editing it?

Wouldn't that be a quality hit converting it to .wmv and then editing it?

It might be. It all depends on how it is converted. If all the conversion requires is re-wrapping the audio and video data to a different file format (and of course the software doing the converting is aware of that), there is no degradation. If, on the other hand, it needs to be decoded and then recoded into another audio/video compression format, yes there is most likely to be some degradation of quality.

Have you tried Super (http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html)? It is quite a decent format converter. It is also free. And somewhat a pain to use, and even more pain to download (if you click on the download link, it leads you to another page with another download link, and it does so several times before actually letting you download it).

WMV is not a good editing format. You'd be better converting it to a format that is not so highly compressed.

Thanks Edward And The Rest Of You Guys,

I guess I'm going to be resolved with the fact that I will need a middle man program between my Spy DVR and Vegas. And it is not so bad as it being the ONLY .avi I have problems with. And no wonder it being a cheap-o Chinese MFG unit.

My biggest fear is pushing you guys too hard for the simple stuff and getting ignored and generating roll-eyes every time I post. That said I need just one more. I have Googled but cannot find a SIMPLE chart showing a compression rate comparison between video formats so I can choose as in Edwards last reply.

So I want to share about the DVR. Maybe one of you seasoned veterans will get one and solve it one day. I am a professional investigator and go undercover at times to get footage of cheaters, thieves, embezzlers, etc, and to covertly record videos of interviews with subjects. The market is flooded with these Key Fob DVRs'. They are cheaply built and fragile, require optimum to a tad less than optimum lighting conditions and the audio is Superbly Sensitive. You can leave them in a room and return to get your feelings hurt when you listen to what they said after you left, or record their side of a phone call conversation. The batteries last an hour or so filling a 4GB MSD card. Over charge it more than an hour or so and she will swell apart.The best one to get is a Version #3 on eBay from eletoponline365.
Version #3 has the best image quality and less dropped frames (on Class 4 cards or better) of all the other versions so far.
When I post this I am going over to the boys on www.chucklohr.com (http://www.chucklohr.com/) and see if I can get some understanding about my trouble. There is more than you want to know about the DVR there.
We have a shoe box full of these DVR's because of the success rate and costs. They have solved many a mystery and ruined many a plot saving clients mega dollars and from bad circumstances. Of course we have more sophisticated gear for lower light but at a premium.

Thanks Again

One more Chance. Maybe you guys can see what I need in the DVR's codec info I found here (http://www.chucklohr.com/808/).

So please go there and scroll down just a little to the 3 column chart under the DVR's closeup image and choose the "Sunplus Technology and Codecs" link.

Maybe you will see something I need to know?

Hi Allen,
try the solution that worked for me here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-happens-vegas/485748-cheap-vid-cam-ok-but-cant-see-video-timeline-3.html
it's a temporary fix by using a trial version of cineform's neoscene. This installs the codec to use in VDub to convert your avi to an editable file in Vegas. This is the workaround I had to use for my cheap little flip out video camera. I only have to use this if I want to retain the 1920x1080.

If I want to settle for 1280x720, I use Windows Movie Maker to convert it for me.

I totally agree with the sentiment that anything a free, bundled software can do ought to be a breeze for a $700 program.

Thanks,

I am so green if I research and read terms I cannot understand or have not heard before it buries me. Then I have to take the time of a college degree to back up and get the definitions of the terms and so the story goes each time I see a term for the first time.

So maybe you can help me with a simple one. As in my OP:

* I have an .avi file that Vegas will no cooperate with.
* I have a converter program called Aimersoft.
* What is the suggested format that I convert the .avi file to that will effect the quality the least?

Thanks

sry Allen, I was addressing your OOP from p.1
I don't know what options Aimersoft gives you.
Can it just repackage it for you as another avi, same resolution?

I tried that and Vegas messaged me it could not be opened. So its worse. I have a feeling Aimersoft is not one of the best file converters.
I'm working on trying some of the suggestions here.

Where are the codecs stored or installed in Windows 7?

sry if I've missed it,
but have you tried using windows movie maker to convert it? That's worked for me to convert < 1920x1080 clips that I can then import into Vegas...

Thanks, I'm fishing for what you seasoned users would do. So if you have a avi that will not play in Vegas you would convert in WMM eh? I'll look at it. I'm interested in the quality hit too.

I can't do "seasoned," lol, but...
I see your clip is 720x480, so using Windows Movie maker, bundled with Vista:
import clip into Movie Maker
drag the clip to its timeline
"publish to computer"
choose "More settings"
DV-AVI, 720x480,
or
WMV DVD Quality
or
etc, from drop down menu options
Allow to render
open new file in Vegas
enjoy
Ponder again why $700 Vegas doesn't do this
move on

Your Right. Time to move on. I am diligent as required in my profession but I'll have to let go here moving it to the Cold Case files.