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Werner Wesp
September 17th, 2005, 12:13 PM
I've paid my HD101E two month ago but it still isn't there...

Yesterday I had the opportunity to 'test' a HD100E. It was the first time I saw one in real-life. Quite an amazing package. It is 'small', but big in another way...

From reading posts, I had thought the balance with the standard battery was fine. It wasn't for me though, very front heavy and almost to light to hold steady. I have to admit I'm quite a muscular guy, so the shoulder-pad was over half way to the back. Thank god I've got my IDX-adapter already. That will be much better.

Incredible build-quality. The lens has the appearance of an 1/2 inch lens, rather than a 1/3 inch (like the panasonic AJ-D200, ...): it is bigger, heavier and sturdier.

This might seem a strange comment: but it is really, really BLACK. no dark gray, no blue-like (like on some pictures)... Deep black. Very nice, hope it's not to hot to handle in the summer :-)

No dead pixels on the item. Split screen at +18 dB (I'm sorry, I really couldn't care less...). Fine at +9 dB.

Focus assist... What can I say? It was somewhat strange at first, but when you get used to it, it is a marvellous tool. Works very, very well (checked all footage on a JVC HDTV LCD via HDMI).

Robert Castiglione
September 18th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Yes, if you are used to handling larger ENG cameras I reckon it will take a bit of getting used to.

However, I have been practicing quite a bit and you do get used to the lighter weight and smaller size of the camera. I have been reminding myself to relax and use my body rather than my arms.


Rob

Robert Castiglione
September 18th, 2005, 11:05 PM
By the way, can you tell me what IDX adapter you are referring to. I was thinking about the Anton Bauer adapter and would like to compare them.

Rob

Diogo Athouguia
September 19th, 2005, 03:22 AM
There is an exclusive IDX system for this camera, the IDX-100-E or just the adaptor A-E2HD100. It seems that only JVC itself sells this product, not IDX. The price is somethink like $1500 for only 2 batteries, I hope A/B to have a better offer!

Robert Castiglione
September 19th, 2005, 04:15 AM
Woa! Those batteries will clearly deliver better picture quality for that price. Unfortunately, the Anton Bauer System all up is not much cheaper. However, I really cant see much alternative.

Thanks for the info.

Rob

Diogo Athouguia
September 19th, 2005, 05:44 AM
There is an alternative, actually it's the one I chose for now. You can always purchase a lot of BN-V428 batteries. I ordered on Ebay 4 compatible with 3500Mha plus a original JVC with 2800Mha, only for 10€ each. I'll have 6 batteries, 4 of them will last longer because they are 3500Mha. I've always used this compatible batteries on my PD150 and on my digital photo camera, never had any kind of problems. 1425€ + VAT for the IDX system... I would buy a new laptop instead!

However, if you really want that solution you can purchase the A/B batterie mount for about $350 and go to www.globalmediapro.com to search for gold mount batteries. They have their own brand at good prices. If you don't trust unknown brands try the Swift batteries, they're cheaper and very good...

Robert Castiglione
September 19th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Dear Diogo,

Thanks, I will check out some of these alternatives.

Rob

Diogo Athouguia
September 19th, 2005, 07:26 AM
Just received a mail from someone who saw my previous post telling me that his compatible third party batteries didn't work and had to return them... now I'm concerned! Anyway there are some original cheap JVC BN-V428 from sellers in Hong-Kong. Make a search on ebay.

Werner Wesp
September 19th, 2005, 10:57 AM
I was referring to the IDX A-E2HD100 battery adapter. I have it lying here already, but I'm still waiting on my own cam...

It is very, very expensive: here in europe I paid €355 for the adapter only (that is 500 american dollars!). Tha anton-bauer, solution should be a lot cheaper, but well... the IDX solution looked cooler :-)

With the IDX the battery is lower and somewhat angled. It also has an Dtab 12V out. The A-B seems to have a funny piece sticking out at the side of the cassettedoor....

Diogo Athouguia
September 23rd, 2005, 07:20 AM
I was referring to the IDX A-E2HD100 battery adapter. I have it lying here already, but I'm still waiting on my own cam...

It is very, very expensive: here in europe I paid €355 for the adapter only (that is 500 american dollars!). Tha anton-bauer, solution should be a lot cheaper, but well... the IDX solution looked cooler :-)

With the IDX the battery is lower and somewhat angled. It also has an Dtab 12V out. The A-B seems to have a funny piece sticking out at the side of the cassettedoor....

You paid more for the IDX then you would for the A-B just because it looks cooler??? LOL

The A-B has a place to put the HDD, I don't know about the IDX...

Werner Wesp
September 23rd, 2005, 09:10 AM
Yep... My wife needs to agree to, eh? :-)

Guy Barwood
September 23rd, 2005, 09:31 PM
That is a lot more expensive than what Ken Freed suggested it would be. He quoted something like US$400 ish with an IDX 80WH battery.

Werner Wesp
September 24th, 2005, 05:03 AM
That is a lot more expensive than what Ken Freed suggested it would be. He quoted something like US$400 ish with an IDX 80WH battery.

I know.... But that's Europe, perhaps over in the US it is somewhat cheaper?

Michael Maier
September 24th, 2005, 05:07 AM
Just received a mail from someone who saw my previous post telling me that his compatible third party batteries didn't work and had to return them... now I'm concerned! Anyway there are some original cheap JVC BN-V428 from sellers in Hong-Kong. Make a search on ebay.

So Diogo, have you got your batteries and tested yet? They really don't work?

Diogo Athouguia
September 24th, 2005, 05:14 PM
So Diogo, have you got your batteries and tested yet? They really don't work?

After receiving that mail I decided not to take the risk. The guy I found on ebay from Hong Kong was a fake, so I ordered some batteries from B&H. I ordered 5 and a charger from the same brand of some other batteries I have for the PD150 (Power2000). They work fine and cost only $60 each, B&H also have the original JVC for $75 but these Power2000 are 3200mha... Anyway, I will probably receive the batteries first, I'm still waiting for the camera! :(

IDX and A-B systems are really cool, but for about $1700 i could buy 22 JVC batteries. I think that 6 or 7 JVC batteries will give me the same life of 2 IDX. Maybe someday I'll decide to purchase a new power system... I can't afford it now!

Guy Barwood
September 24th, 2005, 08:17 PM
Please let us know how those Power2000 brand fair. I have had some really dodgy JVC replacement batteries bought locally so I only bought the JVC originals so far from B&H. These batteries are also used on my DV301E.

This camera really needs a 6000mAH battery.

I have sort of an IDX source myself for this camera though. ITs a simple belt with an IDX plate on it, with a 4pin XLR output hanging off it. To that I attach a voltage regulator which you normally use in your car (like a universal car regulator). It has 12v, 9v and 7,2v outputs. 7.2v is perfect for the DC input.

The only problem is I don't get any battery low warning, and you are tethered to the camera. The converter isn't terribly efficient either so you loose I'd guess about 25% power to heat. Hence why I have created my own high efficiency voltage converter, but am yet to actually test it.

Diogo Athouguia
September 25th, 2005, 05:46 PM
I will, but first I need the camera and then I need a friend to bring or send the batteries from US, I ordered to his address in San Diego because I live in Portugal. If B&H would post to here I would have to pay VAT and extra taxes. In Portugal it's not easy to order something from overseas without paying lots of taxes...

However, in my Sony PD150 and my digital Olympus camera these Power2000 work fine, just like the original ones. B&H is really trustworthy, they don't sell low quality products... I think!

Guy Barwood
September 25th, 2005, 06:18 PM
I did some tests last night on my little home made voltage regulator. On my DV301, which is 7.2v and meant to draw up to 2A (so up to about 14W but I read somewhere it is a 10w camera), my VMount battery was putting out about 10-12W depending on the LCD being on or off (added 800mAH to the current draw), as did actually recording. So it seems the efficiency is about 80% which isn't too bad. I had to loose a little light for the power switch though as I worked out it was drawing 1W just itself... Maybe a diode will replace it.

Now I can power my DV301 from my VMounts via the DC in, and this should work for the HD101 as well if I get one, though I'd rather the proper plate.

I also took a generic JVC mount battery apart (lasted about 10min it was so dead). It just contained some Panasonic LiIon 800mHA cells (claimed 1700mHA battery but with the batteries in use it was at best 1600).

I found some LiIon cells on the net, 2000mHA for just over US$5 or about $8 for 2400mHA. I'm thinking of rigging up my own battery with about 10,000mHA using the front of this generic battery and making a custom rear section. 10,000mHA should keep a HD100 running for about 2.5hours, and my DV301 for about 4-5 hours+. The battery shouldn't cost much more than about US$100.

Diogo Athouguia
September 26th, 2005, 05:19 PM
You're an enginious guy... that's too complicated for me! I'd rather spend about 200€ on batteries and some day purchase an A-B solution. If you'd live nearby I'd ask you to build a thing like that for me. 10.000mHa is very good.