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Barry Green September 24th, 2003, 11:58 AM Vegas 4 does read the transport streams directly. You have to have registered the program and it should then download the mainconcept codec, and after that you should be able to directly edit the transport streams.
John Hartney September 24th, 2003, 01:34 PM Does Vegas4 use YUV or RGB?
thanks,
John
Edward Troxel September 24th, 2003, 01:45 PM My understanding is that it is RGB.
Yow Siang September 24th, 2003, 06:35 PM I have seen many videos with just certain human with colours and the rest are all b/w. is there anyway to do that with vegas?
yowsiang
George Brackett III September 24th, 2003, 07:19 PM Not specifically. You can use the cookie cutter fx for a rough effect, using keyframes. I'm trying a demo of Adobe After Effects using the "vector paint" tool to make a moving mask. The process is called "rotoscoping" and there's apparently no easy war to accomplish it. Basically, you have to "paint" virtually every frame to achieve a satisfactory effect.
Peter Jefferson September 25th, 2003, 12:14 AM ok heres another phenomenon...
i have a video clip running a velocity envelope of about 15%, not im getting EXTREME strobing but thats not where it ends.
When i use the same routine, but get the velocities to go to zero, sometimes i get jitter so much so that the image is filthy, this is during the freezeframe, im runnign effects like bump maps and colour change to BW as well as track motion, so the actual frame may be frozen, but the actual screen activity isnt.
any ideas on how to fix this?
Im not using 25p but im using 50i with blended fields within the render routine...
any help on this is GREATLY appreciated, and the strange thing is, it only happens sometimes, its not a consistent problem...
John Eriksson September 25th, 2003, 12:17 AM 1.Connect a firewire board to your computer, and install the drivers.
2.Get your movies from the with the provided capture device.
3.Watch your m2t .ts movies with the VideoLAN player:
http://www.videolan.org/
4.(here comes the tricky part) Demux the clips that you want to keep using HDTVtoMPEG2 1.09.
http://www.midwinter.com/~bcooley/
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/hdtvtompeg2.html
5.Start Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0.
6.Choose File -> Import files/media
7.Choose the right destination, here if you canīt see the files press *.* to see all files.
8. Select the files you want, press ok.
9.Vegas ask for the mainconcept HD codec, and if you registrate the VEGAS software you will get the codec for free. I registrated and restarted VEGAS.
10. You can now edit HD in VEGAS and you can also convert it into DVD and to .avi -files for usage in after effects or combustion.
This way is a pain in the butt, so I would like to recomend Cineform Aspect HD for fast easy editing in Premiere 6.5 and PRO
Here is a link to mainconcept:
http://www.mainconcept.com/index_flash.shtml
GOOD LUCK!!
/j
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 06:17 AM I don't know what I clicked, but now, every time I load clips on the timeline, the little itsy bitsy triangular markers that used to be at the top edges of the abutting clips are no longer there and the clips do not snap together. Now, before everybody calls me an imbecile and tells me to activate the snapping effect, I did that. Why can I not get those little triangles back in the upper corners of the clips that join together on the timeline? What did I accidentally do to make them disappear? The clips don't snap together any more! RATS!
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 08:17 AM I tried to duplicate your problem and could not find a way. Even with snapping turned off, the triangles are still there. Maybe a reboot would help?
Dave Largent September 25th, 2003, 08:21 AM Thanks John and Barry. You put me on the right path with that codec.
The way it works is this. You are not able to import the JVC's files if you do not have the free MainConcept MPEG codec plugin.
Once you have this codec, the files go in easily. You do not automatically receive the codec when you register Vegas. The easiest way to get the codec is to drag any clip (even jpg) onto the timeline and then go into "render as" and choose MainConcept MPEG. At this point you will be prompted to register the codec. After that, you can either drag the m2t files into Vegas, or if you want to click them in, you must change the file types to [View All"."] *each time* you go in to select a new file, as the default is "All Media". You DO NOT need to change the file type to .mpg in order to import them into Vegas.
I've been experimenting with various types of compression/decompression of some m2t files posted here. I plan on taking some stills of the results. I'll get back soon.
Dave
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 08:53 AM Well, in frustration, I closed the application down and didn't reboot. Also, I notice that when I connect the clips on the timeline and then separate themfor whatever reason, the edges bump inward, as if I was fading them. Is there anything wrong with my program? I don;t know if this is an issue, but the dedicated hard drive is about 1/3 full with wedding video clips.
Bruce A. Christenson September 25th, 2003, 09:50 AM Actually I think they need the real address on there somewhere. The problem is, this is for the Outdoors channel, and I guess the target audience is basically "dusty old prospector guys" who don't know anything about the internet.
I saw a local ad last nite that had a restaurant address in a nice white font with shadow in the lower left corner. I might give that a shot.
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 09:56 AM I HAVE noticed times that, after overlapping which creates the dissolve, when the clips are separated the dissolve remains. This doesn't happen frequently or consistently so, if needed, I just remove the fade.
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 10:05 AM okay. Thanks for the advice. By the way, I have three different projects loaded and I notice that all three now do that annoying thingy where the triangles disappear. It's funny, about a month ago the triangles were there, now they're not. It drives me bonkers when I can't figure out the cause of the quirk. Do you have an "in" with Sonic Foundry? Maybe somebody there can troubleshoot? Any help would be appreciat
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 10:43 AM Probably the best suggestion would be to uninstall and reinstall. Or at least do a "repair" install.
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 11:54 AM How do I do a "repair" install?
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 12:18 PM You do a regular install (without uninstalling) and pick the repair option.
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 12:50 PM If I remember correctly, it just has a "repair" point and click as opposed to clicking re-install? Also, will it effect any of the three finished projects I have on there now?
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 12:51 PM By the way... I appreciate all your help. It's not always you get a real live wrangler giving personalized service. I'm not taking your help for granted. Thank you.
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM Yes, it's a repair radio button instead of the install radio button. Your existing projects will not be touched. And thanks for the comments.
Glenn Chan September 25th, 2003, 01:56 PM do you need to de-interlace?
Glenn Chan September 25th, 2003, 02:02 PM If they shot a scene twice, once with a blue screen and without a blue screen then it would be easy.
You might be able to pull off a difference key if the background is not moving. Not sure how to do this in Vegas.
Another option is to use secondary color correction. You want to de-saturate everything except for a certain band of colors (the color of the subject's shirt maybe). That was what Edward was getting it. Unfortunately I don't know how to do this in Vegas. If you colors you want to keep are in the background then you have to mask them out- this can be really time consuming if the background is moving or if the subject moves over the portion of the background with that range of color.
Hugh DiMauro September 25th, 2003, 03:07 PM OHH One more question: If I repair the program as you say, will it overwrite the 4.0d bug fix upgrade I downloaded and installed from Sonic Foundry?
Edward Troxel September 25th, 2003, 03:13 PM Repair WITH the 4.0d setup program. Once you have the 4.0d setup, you don't need ANY of the previous ones.
Dave Largent September 25th, 2003, 07:53 PM John, what is the reason for step #4, demuxxing?
David Mintzer September 25th, 2003, 09:19 PM I am working on an extremely long documentary with a ton of clips etc. My work process is to go through my footage via Explorer, preview the clips then place them into one of the bins I have set up. Very strange things are happening---first of all, ever so often I get a complete freeze and Vegas shuts down after showing me the dialog--fatal error---On other occasions I have placed clips into a specific bin, and they appear to be there but when I check later they are gone---Anyone have any answers---I am under deadline and I am beginning to worry. Thanks
John Eriksson September 26th, 2003, 03:13 AM **DEMUXING**
When the camera exports the videofiles it "streams" them over firewire to the computer and because of that the video files arenīt closed with "index" like odinary files. The demuxing stage fixes this so that they could be used in ordinary programs like VEGAS and windows media player and so on. Many will tell you that VEGAS handle transport streams directly -And it does, but I have noticed that the demuxing process does make the files more easy to use when you play them and when you edit them.
Maybe someone else could explain it better and more "correct"!
Hugh DiMauro September 26th, 2003, 06:07 AM Dear Edward:
Two things. 1) I went into the program after work today and lo and behold, the triangles were there! Well now, that reboot idea of yours worked.
BUT... 2) In case this happens again, what exactly did you mean by your last post? Did you mean:
a) Just click on the 4.0d upgrade icon that I downloaded from Sonic Foundry -OR-
b) Re-install from the 4.0 cd that I purchased through the mail from Sonic Foundry and then hit the 4.0d upgrade icon?
These must seem like stupid questions. I'm sorry.
Hugh DiMauro September 26th, 2003, 06:08 AM Now that I re-read your post, I think you mean I should just click my 4.0d icon, right?
By the way, is that 4.0d bug fix I downloaded the complete Vegas program? Just curious.
Edward Troxel September 26th, 2003, 07:23 AM Yes, I meant the 4.0d update only. Each release is the FULL version. With the 4.0d update you don't need the CD. If you ever need to reinstall, just use the 4.0d download.
I really suspected a reboot would work in this case. Glad you got your triangles back.
Edward Troxel September 26th, 2003, 07:27 AM I don't really have an answer to the bin problem but, possibly, and alternate solution:
Why not use the Explorer to create folders as your bins? I always use the explorer window. The ONLY time I look in bins is to get a use count on clips - and I do that very infrequently.
Peter Jefferson September 26th, 2003, 08:34 AM i think its the interlacing field playing havic... but i also think its becuase ive re-rendered an mpg2 which is causing the stop motion effect on some slo mo's
im rendering the piece as DV only and seeing where tha ttakes me...
Hugh DiMauro September 26th, 2003, 08:41 AM Edward:
You're the best. Thanks a million. And yes, we do love our triangles, don;t we?
Albert Rodgers September 28th, 2003, 10:30 AM Hey guys,
What is the easiest way to transfer a project form Vegas to DVD architect?
I recently completed a project in Vegas 4.0 that was 2 hours in length and I created my masters on mini-dv using two tapes created on my GL2 via firewire. Is there anyway to transfer the entire finished project from Vegas to DVD Architect?
Is capturing footage of my mastered mini -dv tapes into DVD Arch. and then rendering my only option?
Can someone please help? There has to be an easier way. Does DVD Arch. work independently thus not excepting .veg project from Vegas 4.0?
BTY The project is still rendered in Vegas for printing to DV. Is there anyway to transfer this ti DVD ARch.?
Please help.
Thanks in Advance,
Al Rodgers
Dan Measel September 28th, 2003, 12:56 PM I want to use the surround sound features in VV4 but need to get a 5.1 sound card and speakers. I remember reading on this site along time ago that some sound cards are a little buggy, or someting like that. Anyway, I have a soundblaster live and was considering getting the soundblaster audigy platinum. Has anyone used this succesfully with Vegas for surround sound or have any other recommendation or advice? Thanks.
Edward Troxel September 28th, 2003, 01:45 PM Place markers wherever you want chapter points and choose File - Render As - MPEG2 format and pick the DVDA preset. Make sure the "save markers" checkbox is checked. You will then need to press "Custom" and change the bitrate so it is appropriate for the length of your video.
After the MPEG2 file is created, go back and chose Render As again and this time choose AC-3 to render the audio. Give this file the exact same name as the MPEG2 file (except the extension will be ac3)
Now, Open DVD Architect and add this MPEG2 file to the menu. The audio should be automatically chosen as well and the markers will be converted to chapter points.
For more details, read the newsletters at http://www.jetdv.com/tts.
Peter Moore September 28th, 2003, 05:33 PM I use the Audigy2 Platinum and it works great for surorund editing. You could even it with studio monitors if you needed a perfect sound. It's a little tricky to set up (you have to use ASIO) but once it's done it works very well. I haven't found any major bugs either.
Stephen Sobel September 28th, 2003, 06:14 PM "I use the Audigy2 Platinum and it works great for surorund editing. You could even it with studio monitors if you needed a perfect sound. It's a little tricky to set up (you have to use ASIO) but once it's done it works very well."
Can you explain what you mean about having to use ASIO?
I am researching in anticipation of buying a new computer, and I am looking at the Audigy 2 soundcard. I am a Vegas user.
Peter Moore September 29th, 2003, 05:57 AM It'll be clear when you see the options and everything is set up. It's just a different type of driver interface (like DirectSound). I don't really know the practical consequences of using it, but it's the driver mechanism you must use to get Vegas to work with a 5.1 card.
Dan Measel September 29th, 2003, 09:04 AM When you say tricky to set up what do you mean? I'm kind of a computer idiot and "tricky" worries me. Is it any tougher than changing a video card or putting in a dvd drive (things I've successfully done). Also does it come with instructions or is the tricky part making Vegas work with it?
Edward Troxel September 29th, 2003, 12:05 PM I haven't been able to see it for about 3 hours now. Anyone else?
Mike Eby September 29th, 2003, 01:07 PM I used HDTVtoMPEG2 ver 1.09 to demux the stream file as suggested however the resulting file is striped of the audio tracks. Perhaps I am doing something wrong. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Mike
David Mintzer September 29th, 2003, 02:08 PM Take a look at M-Audio Revolution---great card used by many top notch Vegas editors and you can get it for 90 bucks at Newegg.com---In my mind its a better board then Audigy for your purposes.
Adi Head September 29th, 2003, 03:37 PM i keep getting some weird site called screenblast.com whenever i click my "favorites" link to the vegas forum. there's a sony logo on there. i have no idea what this means.
G. Randy Brown September 29th, 2003, 04:50 PM I get the same site, apologizing for an error.
Randy
Adi Head September 29th, 2003, 05:44 PM i guess this is sony's way of saying:
OK, MOVE ASIDE, NOW LET ME HANDLE THINGS FROM NOW ONWARD.
:^O
Glen Elliott September 29th, 2003, 06:43 PM Adi, Screenblast is/was Sonic Foundry's entry level Non-linear Editor. Sony bought that, Vegas, Sound Forge, and Acid.
Edward, the server is probably in transit. It's about this time when they said it would happen. It should make the move and be back up with all older posts intact.
Edward Troxel September 29th, 2003, 07:29 PM Well, a post on another site indicated it was a heat issue on a new server. Supposed to be fixed tonight. Another post where someone tried to order Sound Forge asked the person about the problems and was told the server was down. I expect it to be there tomorrow.
Edward Troxel September 29th, 2003, 07:36 PM Well.... It appears it just came back online!
Mike Moncrief September 29th, 2003, 07:52 PM Hello,
Ok Vegas users, what screen resoulution are you using on the computer you are running Vegas on?? 1024X768? Higher??
What is the optimal resoulution that vegas likes ??
Thanks
Mike m.
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