are they using same cmos senor...becasue to my eyes hv10 seems to have more detail than hv20

this is tape capure
hv10

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060823/ezsp01.jpg


hv20
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ez0139.jpg


hv10
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060823/ezsp17.jpg

hv20
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070207/ez0112.jpg

It's difficult to compare details when the images are not exactly the same, but the HV20 seems to be a lot more noisy if you look at the sky in the first grabs.

You would certainly think they would be the same but my HV10 is so good I'm almost afraid to try anything else. For what I use it for I don't need 24p or good audio so I'll probably just stick with it.

are they using same cmos senor...Yes, both camcorders use the exact same CMOS sensor and Digic DV II processor.

So what could be causing the noise? Was AGC turned off on the HV20?

I'm holding onto my HV-10 now for sure. Under careful examination, not only is there noise but a softer picture in the HV-20. However, it does not make sense to me since the processing and chip are the same.

There could be 100's of reasons why the footage may look different. It could be environment or the way the camera was setup.

In the first two shots to me it looks like a totally different time of day. I think the second image is around dusk or dawn. You can tell from the harsh shadows on the back side of certain objects. If the second image was shot at dusk or dawn then that may explain the tiny amount of extra noise which may in turn make the detail not seem as high. Besides the seasons are not even the same. In one image the trees are bare and the other image is full of bright green leaves.

Like I said there could be 100 things that were different when these shots were taken.

The only way to judge anything would be to put a HV10 and HV20 side by side in the same environment and shoot at the same time with the same settings to see if one look better then the other.

Like I said there could be 100 things that were different when these shots were taken.

The only way to judge anything would be to put a HV10 and HV20 side by side in the same environment and shoot at the same time with the same settings to see if one look better then the other.

I couldn't agree more. There are just too many variables involved with the comparison in this thread.

Mike

I'm with Tom. In fact in the first pix, I see a bit more detail in the trees at the horizon with the HV20, but more detail in the structure at the left with the HV10. As Tom said, different seasons, different times....just too many variables.

We'll know soon enough.