hv10 vs hv20 at DVinfo.net

Jung Kyu · March 3rd, 2007, 12:58 AM

are they using same cmos senor...becasue to my eyes hv10 seems to have more detail than hv20

this is tape capure
hv10

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...823/ezsp01.jpg

hv20
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...207/ez0139.jpg

hv10
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...823/ezsp17.jpg

hv20
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...207/ez0112.jpg

Ron Lemming · March 3rd, 2007, 09:08 AM

It's difficult to compare details when the images are not exactly the same, but the HV20 seems to be a lot more noisy if you look at the sky in the first grabs.

Rich Dykmans · March 3rd, 2007, 10:19 AM

You would certainly think they would be the same but my HV10 is so good I'm almost afraid to try anything else. For what I use it for I don't need 24p or good audio so I'll probably just stick with it.

Chris Hurd · March 3rd, 2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jung Kyu

are they using same cmos senor...

Yes, both camcorders use the exact same CMOS sensor and Digic DV II processor.

Ron Lemming · March 3rd, 2007, 12:50 PM

So what could be causing the noise? Was AGC turned off on the HV20?

Lou Bruno · March 3rd, 2007, 02:24 PM

I'm holding onto my HV-10 now for sure. Under careful examination, not only is there noise but a softer picture in the HV-20. However, it does not make sense to me since the processing and chip are the same.

Thomas Smet · March 3rd, 2007, 02:52 PM

There could be 100's of reasons why the footage may look different. It could be environment or the way the camera was setup.

In the first two shots to me it looks like a totally different time of day. I think the second image is around dusk or dawn. You can tell from the harsh shadows on the back side of certain objects. If the second image was shot at dusk or dawn then that may explain the tiny amount of extra noise which may in turn make the detail not seem as high. Besides the seasons are not even the same. In one image the trees are bare and the other image is full of bright green leaves.

Like I said there could be 100 things that were different when these shots were taken.

The only way to judge anything would be to put a HV10 and HV20 side by side in the same environment and shoot at the same time with the same settings to see if one look better then the other.

Mike Horrigan · March 3rd, 2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Smet

Like I said there could be 100 things that were different when these shots were taken.

The only way to judge anything would be to put a HV10 and HV20 side by side in the same environment and shoot at the same time with the same settings to see if one look better then the other.

I couldn't agree more. There are just too many variables involved with the comparison in this thread.

Mike

Ken Ross · March 3rd, 2007, 03:50 PM

I'm with Tom. In fact in the first pix, I see a bit more detail in the trees at the horizon with the HV20, but more detail in the structure at the left with the HV10. As Tom said, different seasons, different times....just too many variables.

We'll know soon enough.

March 3rd, 2007, 12:58 AM	#1
Jung Kyu Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 143	hv10 vs hv20 are they using same cmos senor...becasue to my eyes hv10 seems to have more detail than hv20 this is tape capure hv10 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...823/ezsp01.jpg hv20 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...207/ez0139.jpg hv10 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...823/ezsp17.jpg hv20 http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...207/ez0112.jpg

March 3rd, 2007, 02:24 PM	#6
Lou Bruno Go Cycle Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 815	I'm holding onto my HV-10 now for sure. Under careful examination, not only is there noise but a softer picture in the HV-20. However, it does not make sense to me since the processing and chip are the same. __________________ Lou Bruno

March 3rd, 2007, 09:08 AM	#2
Ron Lemming Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 46	It's difficult to compare details when the images are not exactly the same, but the HV20 seems to be a lot more noisy if you look at the sky in the first grabs.

March 3rd, 2007, 10:19 AM	#3
Rich Dykmans Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Discovery Bay, CA Posts: 138	You would certainly think they would be the same but my HV10 is so good I'm almost afraid to try anything else. For what I use it for I don't need 24p or good audio so I'll probably just stick with it.

March 3rd, 2007, 12:50 PM	#5
Ron Lemming Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 46	So what could be causing the noise? Was AGC turned off on the HV20?

March 3rd, 2007, 02:52 PM	#7
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	There could be 100's of reasons why the footage may look different. It could be environment or the way the camera was setup. In the first two shots to me it looks like a totally different time of day. I think the second image is around dusk or dawn. You can tell from the harsh shadows on the back side of certain objects. If the second image was shot at dusk or dawn then that may explain the tiny amount of extra noise which may in turn make the detail not seem as high. Besides the seasons are not even the same. In one image the trees are bare and the other image is full of bright green leaves. Like I said there could be 100 things that were different when these shots were taken. The only way to judge anything would be to put a HV10 and HV20 side by side in the same environment and shoot at the same time with the same settings to see if one look better then the other.

March 3rd, 2007, 03:50 PM	#9
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	I'm with Tom. In fact in the first pix, I see a bit more detail in the trees at the horizon with the HV20, but more detail in the structure at the left with the HV10. As Tom said, different seasons, different times....just too many variables. We'll know soon enough.