Thanks!!

This is great to know. Deep down I really don't want to buy the DM-50 because I know at some point I will want to use shotgun off the camera.

For example, an iterview at the beach with the shotgun pointing down over the subject is not going to happen with the DM-50. And if by chance in this scenario I want to have the ocean at their backs the interview will be no more than a tidal wave sound bite with two people that happen to be in the picture.

A penultimate resolution to my part in this thread at least. After missing the opporunity to capture some great sound on Sunday I finally called in lots of favors, gave up presents for years and was able to convince the CFO to let me get the ME66/K6 combination. I've also ordered a Beyerdynamics shock-mount and XLR-mini adaptor. Still need to find a reasonably priced foam windsock or furry zeppelin for it.

Zotz has been great throughout this whole ordeal.

I'll post a final message once I can try the Sennheiser in the field (hopefully next week).

Jeff.

I am impressed with Zotz too. I have been talking to Brian and told him flat out I decided against the Schriber due to reading multiple posts on this site. I have not heard one good thing about that mic.

My current conversation with him is centered on the Audio-Technica AT835b. Although it's a little more than I wanted to spend, I think it will be worth the money if I go in that direction.

The only other mic I am considering is the Azden SGM-1x, which is a lot cheaper ($149 at B&H with a shock mount) but I don't think it's as good as the AT835b.

I have been struggling with this for days...

I really wish I could test these myself before the purchase.

Have fun with your ME66.

Alex
You need an female XLR tp 1/8 stereo adapter. It's under $10 at B&H.

The Hosa XVM-101

http://www.hosatech.com/audio_cables_index_3.html

It's $9.50 at B&H and doesn'r require the stereo adapter.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh2.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___158476___HOSMMRAXF1___REG___CatID=0___SID= F5E7C4F4870

The in-house videographer at National Wildlife Federation recommends the AT835 as a reasonable alternative to the Sennheiser. My only problem with the AT was its length. Given the areas I pack my camera into (either over my shoulder or custom mounted on a backpack frame) I thought the extra length was a real liability.

Zotz carries an XLR to miniplug adaptor ($9) so you can ask Brian about that. I also needed to get the $25 shock mount.

Still looking for a reasonably priced foam windscreen (or fuzzy). Yes, Lightwave makes great products - but at premium prices!

I agree, I think the length would bother me on the run as well.

I think I finally decided on the Azden SGM-1x. I will be using it predominately for upclose voice/interviews, so AT835b or higher would just be overkill for that application. All I need (not want) is a VW, not a BMW. It's all about the precious $.

Thanks to Lester, Jeff and Bryan for the miniplug info. This helps me keep my cost down.

This community really is awesome!

<<<-- Originally posted by Jeff Price : I'm waffling between the Canon DM-50 (maybe not great but it is stereo) and the Azden SGM-1x to replace it. The Audio Technica and the Azden SGM-2x I feel are both too long for on camera field use (especially in rain forests, etc.). Then get a Sennheiser in a year or two. -->>>


It's odd that you happen to mention RAINFORESTS of all things. I have the GL2, MA-300 + Azden SGM-2X, WD-58H, BP-945, and Century Optics DV Matte Box. My wife and I spent two weeks trudging through the rainforests and beachs of the Pacific Northwest -- Olympic National Park, Ruby Beach, Second Beach, Eagle Creek, Cape Flattery, etc. I hiked the trails (mild to intermediate) with ALL of that gear stuck to the end of my Gitzo G1380 head + G1325 carbon fiber tripod rig (NOT packed away).

The SGM-2X is NOT too long at all. It's just perfect and is about a micron out of the way of the WD-58H's view when all the way out. The audio is EXCEPTIONAL and I monitor with a pair of quality Sony headphones (700 something or other). I went into Camera World in Portland, OR specifically to buy the Senn ME66, but after checking out the SGM-2X at the salesman's recommendation I walked out with those. I simply can't tell the difference in everything I shot between the Senn and the Azden. Plus, the Azden gives you an omni mic and a windscreen (it works surprisingly well). From the review(s) I've seen comparing the AT, Azden, and Senn together, the Azden seems to produce better sound and is more directional -- and it's only $220!

I view the SGM-2X as THE PERFECT mic for the GL2/MA-300.

There is a difference between the rainforests we are talking about. I was referring to tropical rainforests in Australia with NO trails. On top of just the vegetation there is a nasty plant down there called wait-a-while vine. Think of a hooked rose plant except hanging down out of the trees.....nasty stuff. If I was staying on trails or roads then microphone size wouldn't be much of a problem.

Then there are the green ants. Beautiful unless they get on you as they have one nasty bite. Their colonies are frequently on hanging down branches.

So, it becomes a good idea not to touch or rub into things - keeping your gear as compact as possible.

I also tend to carry two cameras with me. One in a holster by my side with no additional hardware to use for 'grab' shooting. The other is mounted on my tripod and has the tele-extender and microphone on it. This is mounted on an internal fram pack so I can carry it on my back for long distances yet still be able to set it up quickly (as opposed to setting up the tripod, taking the camera out and setting it up, hooking the microphone to it). With wildlife photography you may not get long, nor get a second chance. So, a microphone sticking out too far with this rig would just snag a branch.

Ahhh.... THOSE rainforests.

Well, ANY microphone is going to get you in trouble then, regardless of the size. While the MA-300 XLR adapter and SGM-2X are certainly larger than the Canon DM-50 I doubt it'll create that much more of a problem.

It's likely you'll have the same problem(s) regardless -- but at least you'll get great audio ;-)

One of the reasons I ended up with the Senn was the realization that sometimes I might be better off just using my camera as a tape recorder and handholding the mic (and this would work for the Azden's as well). Just leave the camera in the bag, set it on auto and press the record button when I want to capture sound.

More often than not it is just the ambient sounds you're after anyway. Sync isn't important then.

I just got my Azden SGM-1X. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it yet, but so far I am happy. Honestly, this is my very first exposure to using a shotgun mic but after doing a good deal of research I got pretty much what I expected.

I can tell this mic is not top-of-the line hardware, but it's certainly worth the money and very capable of simple voice interviews, which is all I really need.

Also, no hiss/hum issues to speak of so far. The sound actually seems a bit cleaner than the built-in mic.

Bottom line (in my opinion): A very good mic for $150.

Does the Azden SGM-1X shockmount come off to allow using it with a boom pole that already has a suspension mount? I can't seem to tell from the website. I just got an NRG-568 and it does have a bit of handling noise, even from just jiggling around in the rubberbands of the shockmount, which is aggravated by its heaviness. Not a bad mic, though, no hiss that I've noticed in tele setting, although definitely an increase in gain.

Everyone seems to like the Azden SGM-1X better for its weight and handling noise, though, so I'm seriously considering sending this one back and spending an extra $20 for the Azden.

Yes it does