Canon it's Feb. 2014, is the C100 AF upgrade available yet?
 

Canon's February 6, 2014, which is the new dual pixel AF C100?? :-)

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Umm....what?

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I believe Docea is drawing attention to Canon's statement from last November that its dual-pixel AF technology currently found in the EOS 70D would be made available to the Cinema EOS C100 sometime in February as a service center modification for $500 (full details here: http://www.dvinfo.net/news/canon-off...-eos-c100.html). Therefore I have changed the thread title from "Canon is FEBRUARY 2014 :-)" to "Canon it's Feb. 2014, is the C100 AF upgrade available yet?"

Hope this helps,

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Thanks Chris....

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Canon has the C100 with the upgrade in the hands of pros at the moment so they must be in the final stages of testing. Philip Bloom and Joe Simon have been tweeting about it this week.

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Will newly manufactured C100's feature the tech already integrated?

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Canon have stated that no, it won't and will always be a paid for upgrade.

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Danny is right -- I confirmed this verbally with Canon USA several months ago. There will be no change in the C100 production & manufacturing process. It's always going to be an optional upgrade if you want to pay for it.

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Gotcha...thanks. I thought I remembered hearing that somewhere, but I was sorta hoping I was wrong, hehe.

There probably won't be a C100a or C105 coming then. :)

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The Sony F3 had a paid upgrade to unlock S-Log that they charged $3000 for which was only firmware, few months later it was free.

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But in this case, it's not a bit of firmware. I've heard it hinted that some engineering work is required that needs to be done, and then carefully lined up. This sounds about right - if all cameras had this, it would make them more expensive. This way, only those who really want/need it have to pay.

Having said that, wallet at the ready... (taps foot impatiently).

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Matt is right -- for the C100 it also requires a hardware change, thus the trip to a factory service center. And it's optional so if you don't need it, you're not paying for it.

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There was a lot of information and discussion about the C100 Dual Pixel CMOS AF back in November, both here on this forum and on DSLR Newsshooter, with Dan Chung gently squeezing a lot of information out of the enigmatic Yoshinari Onda, Canon Cinema EOS Global Product Manager.


The C500, 300 and 100 all already have dual pixel sensors. From about 09.45 Mr Onda says that the modification entails new firmware and a ‘service adjustment’ to adjust the sensor output.

At 12.50 they discuss the AF Lock button which adds a degree of functionality. And at 16.16 Mr Onda says they are looking into the possibility of adding this function to the C300.

I’d be interested in that as I’ve already been experimenting with the Continuous AF function using the 18-135 STM lens on the C300, and whilst it’s not very fast it does work accurately and silently so it certainly has it’s uses.

Earlier on in the interview Mr Onda also talks the possibilities of us seeing a eos servo lens product in the near future.

And for those who missed the original post, here is the DSLR Newsshooter demo of the C100 Dual Pixel AF.


I guess C100 users won’t have that long to wait now.

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Mark - Can you say a bit more about the 18-135 STM on the C300? How fast is it compared to the Newsshooter Dual Pixel AF video demo sample?

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Hi Jon,

It's not anywhere near as fast as the AF demo for the C100. It's faster on solid objects with high contrast.

However it does work and can be useful for certain situations. I used the 18-135 STM today whilst filming a
large business meeting. Feeling rather lazy I was able to get pin sharp closeups around the table with minimal effort on my part.

Its resolves focus very fast in 'one shot AF' mode and slower in continuous mode. Like wise the Auto / one shot Iris is very smooth.

I've been using the 18-135mm STM since it's launch. A lot of people really don't like it, partially I think because it does not have a fixed aperture, is made of plastic, utilises 'fly by wire' focusing and is not a 'L' lens.

I like it because of its focal range, it's lightness, it's quietness and because it is very sharp. So for me it's a useful lens to have in the bag. I imagine that Canon will incorporate STM technology into it's 'L' series soon.

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Thanks Mark! All good to know.

I haven't tried much on the new C300 FW other than focus area for MF and using the Lens Exchange feature.

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The website was just updated and the upgrade is now officially available - Canon U.S.A. : EOS C100 Feature Upgrade

Just got off the phone with Canon. Got the address of where to ship to, and an estimate of 5 business days turnaround. Shipping costs not included.

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I see there are currently two threads about this. Just for info I posted something in this thread (perhaps should have posted it here instead).

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...ml#post1834121

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Has there been any feed back regarding how long this upgrade process takes? Also, will they upgrade the firm ware if needed?

I assume this upgrade will have no effect on total manual lenses? Meaning light metering, focusing aids will not be effected if a manual lens is used?

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I just sent mine in today from Seattle, WA to their service center in Los Angeles, CA. I'll report back when it's finished but Canon quoted me 5 business days.

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I live minutes from the Canon Service department in Irvine I planned on dropping off my C100 this week and I can find out exactly how involved it is with the technicians.

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I would like to hear from those who have the AF upgrade installed how the low light performance is. Specifically, how fast does it lock into focus compared to normal lighting and does it hunt before it achieves focus. Does it reach a point in very low light where it can't achieve focus. For example - a low light wedding reception.

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I received my Dual Pixel autofocus sensor upgrade yesterday. In 2 business days it was complete, 2 business days for return. They updated the firmware (without asking) to the current 2.0.3.1.00.

In my ad hoc unprofessional assessment on a Canon EF 16-35MM 2.8, it works as advertised, The better the lighting/ISO the more rapid/immediate the focus. In very low lighting without proper ISO adjustments the focus typically needs to hunt a few oscillations around true focus, but it tends to find it and hold. In these very low light settings, cranking the ISO up to a usable exposure returns the rapid/immediate focus.

It is important to remember to have external audio or be using MOS footage, as the auto focusing lenses are noisy robots.

Also: not sure if it was the firmware upgrade or the sensor/auto focus firmware upgrade, but the camera's internal clock was wrong and could not be manually adjusted in the menu on return. I called Canon prior to trying a hard reset. The tech agreed it was weird behavior, he couldn't offer an explanation and agreed I should do a hard reset. This worked and allowed me to reset time, and everything else...

Will be looking forward, with everyone else, to the next firmware that allows manual adjustment of the auto focusing region. Overall, a very appreciated feature for the right situations.

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Thanks Eric for your answer. That's exactly the info I was looking for.

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I got to test the new C100 AF at WPPI last week and found it quite useful in well lit situations.
No facial recognition and trouble in low light may be a problem in the real world, but I'm willing to pay for the upgrade.

Everyone asked if this would be a feature in new units and the universal answer was no.
Check back next year.

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Hallo Eric

Is possible to make a video most conclusive test..with several types of lenses and frames coated in dark areas :-)I want to do this step myself with my camcorder C100, but I have not seen a conclusive test to convince me it's worth it to make investment.and honestly prefer raw footage .. not one advertisement published by Canon :-)

Thanks...thanks in advance

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Does Dan Chung's recent test count? Yes, shot at a Canon facility, but certainly not a 'Canon ad' LOL - at around 1.17 (IIRC) is it Dan who we can hear saying 'I honestly can't fault it'.


Due to the popularity of the upgrade in the UK, I have to wait until 31st March to get it done. I think Canon may re-think its 'only available via paid upgrade' stance and sometime next year 'they'll all have it'.

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Thanks Matt.....

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Thanks for the feedback, sounds like 5 business turnaround is the norm, which is great.

The video clip was very helpful. I can see this feature working well when I need to pan or change the framing slightly and focus on subjects at different focal lengths. But will this feature also follow a subject (within reason) when they move and maintain focus. I would also like to use this feature during a close up scene with a very shallow DoF. Will the focus lock on if the subject/actor’s head moves out of the normal focal plane if set at like a F/2.0?


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Do the new C100's have this already? or will a brand new C100 have to be shipped off as well?

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"Everyone asked if this would be a feature in new units and the universal answer was no.
Check back next year."

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In Romania this cost 500 EUR..is too expensive and not worth the investment to do this in the C100, I prefer to buy a Ninja Blade 730 EUR..I say it is overpriced .. 500 eur and will not give money astia.Si 400 eur was so much ..but 500 EUR is too much for autofocus ..

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Just to clarify one more time, this is an *optional upgrade* which means there is no change to the way C100's are made. If you buy a new C100 today and you want the AF upgrade, you will have to ship it off.

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Anyone know how well the focus works with the Canon 17-55 2.8? Debating picking it up specifically with this upgrade.

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Yes. It works very well and fast, almost too fast. It works with most EF and EF-S lenses as well as STM ones. See another thread I posted on about the Dual Pixel AF upgrade, link in post #18 in this thread.

Mods, I suggest you amalgamate the thread in the Wedding/Events section with this one to avoid confusion/even more duplication...

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Hallo

You can change Aperture while continuous video filming on focus?

Thanks

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Hello, if somebody help me with information, I want to send C100 in service in Italy to make sensor update
I need to send anything besides C 100 empty? what accessories should send out the C100?
Thanks

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I also would appreciate information about how to send in my C100, sorry if this has been answered by now. Is there a link to canon that describes the address/process. I live in Wisconsin. Is the turnaround time still very good? I absolutely must have it back by April 1st.

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If you're in the U.S. you should really call or email Canon EOS Cinema Service directly to get the most accurate information about what to include and turn-around times for the upgrade. They are extremely helpful and their customer service is really great.

1-855-246-3367 or CinemaEOS@cits.canon.com

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Thanks for that information. I will call tomorrow.