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T2i frame rate question
I am definitely looking at the T2i for its 1080p24 frame rate. I already have the T1i and do a lot of shooting in the 720p30 frame rate. The question is: the new T2i 720p60/50 frame rate; how will it work with footage shot with the T1i? Does the 60fps mean that it's for slomo only? If so, if I wanted slomo 1080p with the T2i, would I have to shoot in the 720p and blow it up in post?
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This camera really looks like it could be a great deal for the money. I have been saving for a 7d but it looks like this 550d will be just as effective for video and I could possibly use the extra cash to get a slider or other gear. It will be interesting to see if it holds up as well in low light situations.
I had read earlier in the thread that people didn't like that it didn't have auto focus, but the canon site says it has "Autofocus: Quick mode, Live mode, Face Detection Live mode; manual". Does that mean that you have to depress the shutter button slightly to autofocus or is it the auto focus we are accustomed to on standard video cameras? Also, can any of you guys see the possibility of one of these DSLRs being totally optimized for shooting video? I am envisioning something that looks like a typical pro-camcorder but uses the large dslr sensor and interchangeable lenses. It seems to me like it's just a matter of time before someone releases a "hybrid" camera of this nature. Total speculation, but something like that would seemly be the best of both worlds. |
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Very cool. Thanks for the replies. But... 720p60? Is that slomo only? I'd definitely like to shoot 24p for the "film look" idea, and a DSLR is perfect for what I want. Everything I do, so far, will be mastered to DVD or to the web (Vimeo, specifically). Blu-Ray isn't in the picture yet, not with my clients!
Shooting exclusively in 720p wouldn't be a bad thing, I guess. Maybe shoot the 1080p24 things with the T2i, any slomo with the 720p60, downconvert the 1080 to 720 and enjoy. Or I could shoot 720p30 with my T1i and slomo with the 720p60 T2i, and call it a day. I just think it's strange that the 60/50 fps is on 720p and SD only! Hmmm... interesting. |
Update: Download the Rebel T2i / EOS 550D operator's manual.
The link is provided at the bottom of the second post of this thread (back on the first page). Here's a shortcut to that post: Download the operator's manual: Rebel T2i -EOS 550D |
What are the HD recording limits on this baby?
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HD recording is limited to the same specs as Canon's other HD SLRs. 4 gig or 30 minutes in SD mode, 4 gig or roughly 12 minutes in HD mode. You can keep taking clips up to that length till you fill up the SD card.
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From the 'stating the obvious' desk...
Thanks for posting the manual. On page 228, it states the file size for 1 minute of 1080 or 720 video as approximately 330 MB. Divide that by 60 (per second) and multiply that by 8 (from Bytes to bits), gets us 44 Mb per second.
I note the Canon 7D's manual uses the same figures as the 550D. I feel I'm tiptoeing into nerd territory here, but where the 7D's manual says MPEG44 AVC, the 550D's manual says MPEG-4 AVC/H.264. Hopefully this is just tidying up their nomenclature. Taking into account that this is all speculation, variable bit rate et al, are we pretty safe in establishing the video side IS pretty much identical to the 7D? |
MPEG-4 (did it really say MPEG44?) is a standard that consists of several sub-standards for video and audio. MPEG stands for Motion Picture Expert Group. I believe that AVC stands for Advanced Video Codec. H.264 is a specific compression codec.
Both cameras use H.264 compression. H.264/MPEG-4 AVC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 Information - Doom9's Forum |
Bad news on page 136 of the handbook.
I think that mean that there is no HD Out over HDMI while recording. But on this site it seems the camera have HD-Out: Google Nachricht Daniel von Euw |
The manual says:
If you connect the camera to a TV set with an HDMI cable and shoot a movie in 1080p or 720p, the movie being shot will be displayed at a small size on the TV. However, the actual movie will be properly recorded at the movie recording size that was set. This indicates to me that it functions like the 7D, namely the HDMI out during recording doesn't fill the screen but doesn't drop down to 480i either. |
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I think the 7D fill the screen if you press the "info" button until no more screen-infos are shown. Daniel |
It doesn't give you the actual 1080p image, though. It's the scaled image from the LCD screen. If the 7D outputted a full 1080p image without other menu/system data people would be using nanoflashes to get around the 4 gig limit.
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The 7D outputs 1080i during recording. Check this two links: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-eo...-via-hdmi.html http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/eosmovie/comparison/index.html Daniel |
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'Full screen' to you may mean something other than it does to me. Full screen to me would be the 1920x1080 16:9 recorded image displayed in it's entirety. The 7D (and presumably the T2i, based on the manual) displays a 3:2 display scaled to fit in the 16:9 space with a grayed out top and bottom to frame the 16:9 recording area and black pillarboxing on the sides. I can post a picture if you like, I have a 7D sitting right here and I've used the HDMI out while recording before.
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And what means that: "If you selected "full screen view" via the info button - it just stays that way, the focus box thing goes away and a little red dot shows up in the upper right corner. Visual follow focus is very easy with an external monitor." If its only a upscaled liveview image follow focus would be difficult. Daniel |
From a quick search it looks like the actual image area of the 7D's video output is 1620x910, about 3/4s of 1920x1080. Good enough for follow focus but not full 1080.
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Just to verify, the Canon 550D = Canon T2i right?
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Yes. In North America it's the EOS Rebel T2i. In Europe and the UK, it's the EOS 550D.
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550d in Asia too
In Asia too, it's called the 550d, except in Japan where the Rebel is a "Kiss" camera.
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And 1349AUD is for BODY ONLY!!! The cheapest kit is 1500AUD (1350USD) Canon USA has body only listed as 899USD for the kit! In Shanghai, China (not on Canon's site though) I've seen it advertised online as 6500RMB (approx 940USD), and sales people are telling me 6100RMB yay! (900USD). BTW this price is amazing! I was thinking about a doing a "round table" type shoot, multiple cameras, but the cost would have been too high with previous HD-DSLRs... thank you Canon! Seems the nice people of Oz are getting higher prices! Any other prices spotted round the world? |
I completely agree! Currently US$988 is worth AU$1,001.28... So where's the other $347.72 going?
Not like I'm going to pay the RRP... I'm waiting for local stores to start getting stock... Then I'm going bargain hunting! ;) |
550D/T2i body in the Netherlands will cost about 760 euro (US$1030; AU$1150) (whereas the 500D is 200 euro cheaper!)...
7D costs around 1250 euro, so for 500 bucks I can get me a nice extra lens or follow focus! All local store prices, not the RRP from Canon. |
T2i sample video?
If possible, I'd like to be able to download a sample of the raw video (any frame size, but 1080 preferred) from a T2i, when the cam is available, of course! I'd like to see how it edits as compared to my T1i. Thanks!
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Why stop now?
Curious why this active thread has come to a dead end? I can't be the only one, but please, some final clarification on uncompressed hdmi out? Official recording in cam codec and bit rates, and 720p 60 frame rate or not?
Yes much of this has been answered at various times, only to be debated later. Could someone please just provide a definitive spec summary? Maybe DVinfo itself? |
Ken, we'll know much more as soon as the camera starts shipping. Nobody has it yet (outside of some select pre-release testers), but once it gets into people's hands then we'll have something to talk about (and a new forum to match).
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Oooopse. My apologizes. I had wrongly assumed it was a released cam(ra). That explains a lot.
When will we know the exact specs? Based on the (pre)specs, it is a killer. Really looking forward to this release with full details. Canon has taken the lead in the low/middle class cam, for a while now, and do not appear to want to let it go with their reach into this catagory. It appears the older low cost HD standards lock down, such as the old HDV spec, no longer apply. Finally! |
Based on the official Canon manual:
It has 720/60p and 720/50p (page 132). It will have the same HDMI out functionality as the 7D and the 1DmkIV. Recording lengths and bitrates are the same as 7D and 1DmkIV. |
any idea on a release date yet?
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Apparantly it comes out in the UK on Feb 28th,
I was all set to buy a 7d (for 90% video) so if the video mode on the 550d is the same as the 7d, i think I'll get the 550 and put the rest to lenses |
Exactly what I plan to do as well. Although, a 7D is still tempting for me because I can make it my main wedding still camera, and use it as another cam for videos when I need it.
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My plan is to go with the Rebel to get my foot in the door with DSLR video and spend the cash I save on lenses and stabilizers. Then when ever canon finally releases the new revised 5MK2, whether that means just a firmware update or a total body revision, I pick up one of those as a primary still/video camera. Because I still like the idea of the full frame sensor for its low light qualities and its awesome bokeh.
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