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Re: The most important factor

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Originally Posted by Sam Kanter (Post 1674633)

There are thousands of 7D/video users who are drowning in their own tears, wishing they could have ML on their cameras, but it is not meant to be. I would try it yourself before dismissing it, unless you have a 7D.

Not really drowning in sorrow.... it just means my 7D is the BRoll beauty shot without audio that I cut to during a voiceover haha

Re: The most important factor

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Originally Posted by Sam Kanter (Post 1674633)

I find the features in ML totally essential, not just "nice" - especially the audio features and focusing tools. I have had zero problems with stability - but I'm using the 60D version, not the 5DII version. It's possible Bloom et al may have been testing alpha or beta versions that were not yet stable. Usually a release version has been tested by hundreds of users for stability before release.

In any case, I don't really care much what Bloom and Chung say. I usually try things for myself as I have with ML, not depend on others. There are thousands of 7D/video users who are drowning in their own tears, wishing they could have ML on their cameras, but it is not meant to be. I would try it yourself before dismissing it, unless you have a 7D. Of course, it is not 100% safe, and there are no guarantees - many are afraid to try it, which is understandable. Take a look at the menus here:

Unified - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki

I have tried the two different versions of Magic Lantern for the 5DII & they are far too unstable for use where you have no opportunity to re-shoot if the camera locks up.

I have recently bought a 600D/T3i & have been testing Magic Lantern on that & it does indeed seem stable for at least so far I haven't had to pull the battery out to regain control. It looks a far more accomplished & finished version than that available for the 5DII. The features look nice especially Magic Focus & restart to work around the 12 minute recording limit. Nice as these features are they are not essential. Just because you find Magic Lntern essential doesn't mean that others cannot film without it. You just need some skill & practice.

Re: 60d 7D proof

OK - at least you've tried it and know what we're talking about - and yes, the unified version (60D, T3i, T2i, etc.) seems very stable.

It depends on what your idea of "essential" is. Certainly, if you want to record sound directly into the camera instead of using a separate device, ML is essential. I do it both ways - in camera with stereo mic, and with H4N, depending on the situation.

The other features are such a great help that I could not go back to shooting without them. Yes, one could shoot video without ML, so perhaps the word "essential" is not entirely correct. But why would you?

Re: 60d 7D proof

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Originally Posted by Edward Mendoza (Post 1674653)

I think Nigel's point is that there've been plenty of people who've managed without it, including 7D users. It sounds, though, like it would definitely be worth trying. I, personally, am a little fearful of an off-party firmware with my only DSLR. Can't afford to take any chances.

Edward, I was fearful as well - but now feel that risk is very minimal and am totally happy with having a 60D on steroids! :-)

Re: 60d 7D proof

I've been really tempted to try it. In fact, I donated to its development. But right at the top of the download page this appears:

* THIS IS DANGEROUS AND MIGHT DAMAGE YOUR CAMERA. *
* NO WARRANTIES. NO GUARANTEES. *
* *
* "IF IT BREAKS YOU GET TO KEEP BOTH PIECES" *

Ooooo. Pass. Thanks, anyway.

Sigh. Maybe in a later Canon firmware update.

Re: 60d 7D proof

I know the statement might dissuade you, but I think the statemen tabout "breaking the camera" is there for legal reasons for the developers. If you read the side affects for aspirin, it will say "may cause death". They have to say it, (and I think it could have been said differently) but you should assess the risks with other criteria. I think risks are very minimal, and haven't heard of one bricked camera with thousands of users.

But, understand that I am in no way responsible either! :-)

Re: 60d 7D proof

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Originally Posted by John Wiley (Post 1674403)

That's right Edward. It is a feature which can be switched off. The actual t3i sensor is (almost?) identical to that used in the t2i, it's just you have the added option of only using part of the sensor when you choose to.

Is this a software feature or hardware? I wonder if ML developers can add this feature to other cameras?

Re: 60d 7D proof

This whole essential thing has been done to death by now, but often people leave out what line of work they are in.

I am a ML addict, but I am not sure I would use it at a wedding. For film makers, I think there is a more persuasive argument. Also, we are talking about hundreds of releases and versions on several camera platforms, and referring to them all as one thing here, which is where generalisations can become worse than useless.

Here is my generalisation: Try it, it almost certainly won't break your camera. You might find that it turns your off-the-shelf space ship into a temperamental millenium falcon, which once you know it's foibles, can be coaxed into amazing things. If you have enough money for a star destroyer, buy that, and spend the extra time you saved on tweaking by plotting to crush the rebels.

Re: 60d 7D proof

Star Wars pun apart I believe that ML symbolizes the spirit of the using of a stills camera for video like all of us do. I don't really think it's about being cheap and getting great IQ out of what's generally considered small change in pro video production nowadays. I believe it's about having the possibility to tweak and tinker, even having to go to extra complications, to achieve a superior product.