Full HD on Canon EOS 5D Mk. II -- officially announced
 

CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES THE HIGHLY ANTICIPATED EOS 5D
MARK II DSLR CAMERA FEATURING FULL-FRAME HD VIDEO CAPTURE

The Canon EOS 5D Mark II Escalates Full-Frame Digital SLR Photography to the Next Level with
HD Movie Recording Capabilities, DIGIC 4 Imaging Processor, and 21.1 Megapixel Resolution

LAKE SUCCESS, N.Y., September 17, 2008 – Canon U.S.A., Inc., a leader in digital imaging, today introduced the EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera, the long-awaited successor to Canon’s highly popular EOS 5D, introduced in 2005. Building upon the qualities that made the EOS 5D camera so successful, Canon has coupled the creative power of a full-frame CMOS sensor in a relatively compact and affordable camera body, together with groundbreaking HD video capture that opens the door to a much wider range of imaging possibilities for photographers. Along with the ability to capture full HD video clips at 1920 x 1080 resolution, Canon’s EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera features a 21.1-megapixel full frame 24 x 36mm CMOS sensor, DIGIC 4 imaging processor and significantly lower noise, with an expanded sensitivity range from ISO 50 to ISO 25,600.

“The anticipation surrounding the launch of this camera model has exceeded our greatest expectations, and we believe our loyal customers will be awed by the level of innovation and features built into the new EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR. Once they have the chance to experience the camera, we believe they will agree that it was worth the wait,” stated Yuichi Ishizuka, senior vice president and general manager, Consumer Imaging Group, Canon U.S.A.

Among the many advancements in Canon’s new EOS 5D Mark II camera is the Company’s proprietary DIGIC 4 Imaging Processor that powers the camera’s fast 14-bit analog-to-digital conversion for smooth color tones and exceptional gradation. The Canon EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR offers a full-frame 24 x 36mm, 21.1 megapixel CMOS sensor and continuous shooting at 3.9 frames per second (fps) for an unlimited number of full-resolution JPEGs to the capacity of the memory card or up to 14 RAW images in a single burst when using a UDMA CF card. The camera includes a 15-point Autofocus (AF) sensor with nine selectable AF points plus six additional Assist AF points (three center AF points sensitive to f/2.8 lenses) with enhanced light source detection and AF microadjustment for greater autofocus performance. The EOS 5D Mark II camera also features a large, clear 3.0-inch Clear View LCD screen with 920,000 dot/VGA resolution, four times the pixel count of the EOS 5D camera’s 2.5-inch screen, for enhanced clarity and color when viewing images. The new camera is equipped with a high-performance, high-magnification optical viewfinder providing 98 percent coverage, giving a new dimension to the saying, “what you see is what you get.” Professional photographers will also appreciate the enhanced 150,000-cycle shutter durability of the EOS 5D Mark II camera.

Canon, the first company to introduce a full-frame digital camera, has improved the EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera’s newly developed full-frame CMOS image sensor. Utilizing proprietary Canon technology, the Company has reduced noise and expanded the sensitivity of the CMOS sensor up to ISO 25600, which is three full stops higher than the ISO 3200 limit of the original EOS 5D camera. Although the individual pixel dimensions of the EOS 5D Mark II camera are the same as the 21.1-megapixel CMOS sensor used in the EOS-1Ds Mark III digital SLR, the new sensor incorporates an improved output amplifier and a more advanced color filter that improves light transmission while retaining excellent color reproduction. By applying the same kind of advancements in sensor design and image processing technology as the recently introduced EOS 50D camera, but at higher resolution and with larger pixels, the EOS 5D Mark II achieves the highest level of image quality of any EOS Digital SLR released to date.

With the combination of its improved CMOS image sensor and the powerful new DIGIC 4 image processor, the Canon EOS 5D Mark II camera provides ISO speeds from ISO 100 up to ISO 6400 in 1/3-stop increments, along with two high-speed settings – H1 and H2 – of ISO 12800 and ISO 25600, respectively, as well as a low-speed setting of ISO 50. The full-frame sensor maximizes the performance of Canon EF lenses, the world’s largest selection of autofocus lenses.

HD and SD Video Capture
Canon has taken its expertise in imaging, photography and video capture technology to a new level with the EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR. Answering the question of where SLR technology is going next, the EOS 5D Mark II features 16:9 Full HD video capture at 1920 x 1080 pixels and 30 fps as well as 4:3 standard TV quality (SD) video capture at 640 x 480 pixels and 30 fps, both capabilities appearing for the first time in a Canon SLR camera. Video capture is part of the camera’s Live View function, using the Picture Style that has been set for Live View still image shooting. This allows skilled photographers and cinematographers to adjust image sharpness, contrast, color saturation and white balance, and have those settings apply to the movie image. When recording video, the camera’s rear LCD screen can be letter-boxed by a semi-transparent border to match the aspect ratio of the movie recording size. Moreover, the EOS 5D Mark II camera’s HD video capability enables new levels of creative expression through its unfettered access to the complete line of more than 60 Canon EF lenses, which provide an incredible variety of visual effects including everything from ultra-wide-angle and fish-eye to macro and super-telephoto, including many large-aperture L-series professional lenses that can keep the main subject in razor-sharp focus while blurring the background beyond recognition.

The EOS 5D Mark II will record video up to 4GB per clip or a maximum continuous movie capture time of 29 minutes and 59 seconds, whichever comes first. Depending on the level of detail in the scene, a 4GB memory card can record approximately 12 minutes of video at full HD resolution or approximately 24 minutes in standard definition[i]. Video clips are recorded in .MOV format using an MPEG-4 video compression and sound is recorded using linear PCM[ii] without compression. The new camera features an input terminal for external stereo microphones as well as a built-in monaural microphone for convenience. To help show off those fantastic movies as well as still photos, the EOS 5D Mark II camera includes an HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) output to display crisp, clear images on a High-Definition TV.

Live View Shooting
For both still images and video, the Canon EOS 5D Mark II camera features Live View, one of the most sought after features in digital SLRs today. The 5D Mark II features three Live View AF modes – Quick, Live and Face Detection Live mode – for capturing either still photos or video, each with its own attributes. Quick mode automatically sets One-Shot AF using the camera’s phase detection AF system. It also allows users to select the AF point, even while the Live View image is displayed. Although the camera’s reflex mirror must be lowered briefly to take an AF measurement in Quick mode, it is the fastest way to set focus automatically when the 5D Mark II camera is set for Live View.

Live mode uses contrast-detection AF with the image sensor and here, as with Quick mode, users can change the AF point using the Multi-controller. Face Detection Live mode uses contrast AF to recognize human faces. When multiple faces are detected, the largest face closest to the center of the frame is targeted as the AF point. While Live View is engaged users can still change settings including the AF mode (Quick, Live, Face Detection Live mode), drive mode, ISO speed, Picture style, White Balance, and more.

Peripheral Illumination Correction
The Canon EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera automatically conducts peripheral illumination correction when shooting JPEG images, a function that previously could only be accomplished through post-image processing using software such as Canon’s Digital Photo Professional, which Canon supplies at no extra charge. Peripheral illumination correction evens brightness across the image field, making an image of a blue sky even toned throughout and reducing light fall-off at image edges. This new feature essentially eliminates one of the limitations of previous full-frame digital SLRs.

Auto Lighting Optimizer
Canon’s enhanced Auto Lighting Optimizer technology helps ensure each picture’s subject is clearly visible by analyzing image brightness and automatically adjusting dark areas in images so that they appear brighter. This function is ideal in high-contrast situations such as urban landscapes captured on sunny days, where the tops of buildings are brightly lit while street level details are obscured by heavy shadows. In this type of scene, the 5D Mark II camera’s Auto Lighting Optimizer technology preserves accurate exposure of the highlights while opening up the shadow areas for a more pleasing tonal rendition.

Canon’s New Creative Auto Mode
Recently introduced with the new EOS 50D, Canon’s “CA” Creative Full Auto setting can also be found on the EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera’s mode dial. This setting allows users to make image adjustments such as aperture or shutter speed through an easy-to-understand navigation screen on the camera’s LCD menu, allowing them to “blur the background” or “lighten or darken the image.” These easy-to-understand image options allow photographers to experiment with image options while still shooting in an automatic mode.

EOS 5D Mk. II press release, continued...

Two Small RAW Formats
For photographers seeking the flexibility and creative possibilities of shooting RAW format images, without the large file size, the Canon EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera offers two more manageable file size options with sRAW1 and sRAW2 recording formats. At the sRAW1 setting, resolution is 10.0-megapixels with a file size that is approximately 25 percent smaller than a standard 21.1-megapixel RAW image. With the sRAW2 setting, resolution is 5.2 megapixels at less than half the file size of a standard RAW image, retaining all of the flexibility and creative possibilities associated with full-size, conventional RAW images. Wedding and portrait photographers, in particular, will appreciate the options of variable resolution and file size which allow them to fine-tune the 5D Mark II’s operation for their specific needs.

Silent Shooting in Live View
Canon has equipped the EOS 5D Mark II with two Silent Shooting modes in Live View which will prove particularly helpful to law enforcement officials, and for behind-the-scenes shooting on movie sets. In Mode 1, the camera will shoot with the mechanical shutter open at the beginning of the exposure, using the electronic 1st-curtain function of the CMOS sensor and a reduced shutter-cocking noise, allowing multiple shots to be taken with minimal noise. In Mode 2, to minimize shutter noise during single frame photography, shutter cocking does not occur until the shutter button returns to the half-way position after shooting.

EOS Integrated Cleaning System
With the introduction of the EOS 5D Mark II camera, the entire Canon EOS system is now equipped with the highly acclaimed EOS Integrated Cleaning System. The Self-Cleaning Sensor Unit for the Canon EOS 5D Mark II has been upgraded with a fluorine coating on the low-pass filter for better dust resistance.

Pricing and Availability
The Canon EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera is compatible with Canon EF lenses and is scheduled for delivery by the end of November. The EOS 5D Mark II will be sold in a body-only configuration at an estimated retail price of $2,699[iii]. It will additionally be offered in a kit version with Canon’s EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM zoom lens at an estimated retail price of $3,499[iv].

New EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM Lens
The new EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens is the successor to Canon’s EF 24mm f/1.4L USM professional wide-angle lens released in 1997. Targeting professional photographers, the new EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens has been introduced to address the advancements high-resolution digital SLR cameras with re-designed optics and use of a new anti-reflection lens coating called SWC (Sub-Wavelength Structure Coating) to minimize ghosting and flare. Features such as dustproof and waterproof construction that have been adopted make this a high-performance lens with specifications that respond to the demands of professional users. A welcome complement to the EOS 5D Mark II Digital SLR camera, the EF 24mm f/1.4L II USM lens is scheduled to be in stores this December at an estimated retail price of $1,699[v].

About Canon U.S.A., Inc.
Canon U.S.A., Inc. delivers consumer, business-to-business, and industrial imaging solutions. Its parent company, Canon Inc. (NYSE:CAJ), a top patent holder of technology, ranked third overall in the U.S. in 2007†, with global revenues of $39.3 billion, is listed as one of Fortune's Most Admired Companies in America and is on the 2007 BusinessWeek list of "Top 100 Brands."

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†IFI Patent Intelligence Press Release, January 2008
All referenced product names, and other marks, are trademarks of their respective owners.

Specifications and availability are subject to change without notice.

[i] According to Canon’s standard test methods.
[ii] A method of converting audio and other analog signals
into digital data. It is recorded without any compression.
[iii], [iv], [v] Pricing subject to change at any time. Actual
prices are determined by individual dealers and may vary.

This press release is available at
About Canon: Press Room > Press Release

Canon USA: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=17662

Canon Japan: http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/index.html

Canon Japan Special Site: http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/5dmark2/

Sample video clips: http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eos5dm2/02.html#01

DP Review, Overview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08...n_5dmarkII.asp

DP Review, Hands-On: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkII/

Rob Galbraith: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/con...id=7-9316-9603

So, to recap the video capabilities of the 5D Mk. II:

-- 21.1-megapixel full frame 24 x 36mm CMOS sensor
-- new DIGIC 4 imaging processor
-- full HD video at 1920x1080 over mini-HDMI or CF card
-- 30 frames per second (but no mention of 24p)
-- max. recording file size of 4GB per clip, or:
-- max. recording time of 29 min. 59 sec.
-- clips recorded in .MOV format using MPEG-4
-- audio recorded using linear uncompressed PCM
-- stereo-mini mic input jack and built-in mono mic
-- 3.0-inch Clear View LCD screen with 920,000 pixels
-- body-only: $2,700 or kit 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens for $3,500

Wow. Here is an excerpt of the movie mode specs:

Available optionally during Live view mode
• 1920 x 1080 (16:9) up to 12 mins (Quicktime 1080p H.264; 38.6 Mbits/sec)
• 640 x 480 (4:3) up to 24 mins (Quicktime 480p H.264; 17.3 Mbits/sec)
• Max file size 4 GB
• Quicktime MOV format (H.264 video, PCM sound)
• 30 fps

On the video side that's 40 mbps/mp4. All it needs (and probably lacks) is standard frame rates for 60i/24p. Consider also it's less expensive than the Letus Ultimate.

I already have the compliment of EF lenses for my current EOS 5D. This SLR is very interesting.

Canon does it again- trumps Nikon every-time (except for price-point!)

Not so sure I would say that... Nikon has a *huge* advantage in price. You could buy two D90 kits for the price of one 5D body. To me it seems as if the two companies agreed to split the market. If Canon were really competing with Nikon, they would have put HD video on their 50D, which is more evenly matched price-wise with the D90. Just my opinion though.

(so, what are we calling the new forum again?)

I know—this is dizzying.

Over on another forum, they're complaining about the 30fps.

"Video motion = bad" (paraphrase)

Why is 30fps bad?

The Canon 5D ($2700) trumped the D90 ($1000). I think we will be surprised by the D300s and D3s. The D3 has much more processing power and battery.

Well, I can certainly understand why *filmmakers* are complaining about its lack of 24p. However, photojournalists and bridal photographers will absolutely love the 30p capability for its ease in encoding video for web delivery.

Why? Because they're aiming for output to film? Is that the only likely reason?

Nope, it's the distinctive motion signature of the 24p frame rate... which is *very* film-like in the hands of experienced masters (and completely unwatchable in the hands of incompetent others, such as myself).

Thank you.

I'm not asking for details, here—just the gloss. 24fps is favored, then, principally as an aesthetic choice rather than a technical choice?

(I ask because I'm not headed to film; for the foreseeable future, my movies will be seen in digital formats: web, DVD, on HDTVs, digital projection, etc.)

Is it possible/likely that a simple firmware update can add 24p (and perhaps slightly extend recording time at the same time)?

Hmmm. Dunno if I absolutely must have 24p. Is it possible to convert 30p HD to 24p in post?

If so how?

See here: http://www.nattress.com/Products/sta...ilmConvert.htm

What are the general downsides to such a conversion?

This is a fascinating camera, and just shot to the top of my personal wishlist. I'd imagine that adding a 24p mode to it wouldn't be difficult for Canon to do, but the question becomes whether they want to. I'm sure we'll read a lot about it in the next few days. It's the first question I'd ask, at least.

It looks like they added 1080p HD recording to their SX1 IS that's not going to be available in North America. Their Powershot update added h264 encoding, but still only does 640x480. It sounds like they're trying hard to protect their camcorder market. The Digic 4 chip's in all the cameras they've announced and we know that Digic 4 can do 1080p HD. Not including that feature on a camera is more market segmentation and market protection than technical limitation. I imagine we'll see 1080p trickle down through their product line as it's refreshed, assuming the competition comes out with more 1080p products at lower price points. (I'm looking at you, Sony.)

In any case, this should be a pretty ground-breaking camera for those who can afford it. Being able to invest in some nice L lenses and use them for both still work and video work is really compelling. The Rebel X* series already got it's refresh and the 50d just cleared, so unless Canon decides to introduce another camera to muddle the market, I'd guess that this will be it's sole HD video SLR for at least 6 months.

That's the interesting part. Nikon has no camcorders, so their cameras could have every feature without worrying about cannibalizing other market segments. Sony and Canon have this problem. There has been much protection of higher end products by Sony and Canon and even Panasonic by excluding 24p for a long time. Panasonic broke down only a few years ago, and Sony followed suit. Most of the lower end camcorders offered fake full-frame modes for 30f and 24f. Now, all of that has changed with 720p60.

My Golly-gosh - those should be movies and a half with a chip twice the size of the (half) frame used in the cinema!

No mention of the microphones as far as I could see (there's a lot to read) but who needs video lights now, with ISO numbers that stretch into near darkness.

I'm struggling to think of the difficulties it'll present when making movies. OK, the rear (live) screen is somewhat fixed and very limiting, and of course the zoom range will be somewhat curtailed unless you're very strong and very rich, but why are we movie types so happy with minute 1"/3 chips when 1080 movies can be shot onto massive square inches of chip? This EOS isn't even expensive alongside an EX1 Sony (½" CMOS chips).

And I'd say 25p would be the most useful frame rate.

tom.

The new camera features an input terminal for external stereo microphones as well as a built-in monaural microphone for convenience.

I just download the movie clips from dpreview site, and put FCP timeline with Z1E and XLH1 footage side by side. I m impressed. 5D footage is better than Z1 and par or better than H1.

this my subjective evaluation though.
but we are going in to interesting times !

alkım.

Simply amazing. Canon never seems to stop surprising. I remember all the clamor about a supposed 5D MkII. Who would have ever guessed a year ago that it was going to be a video camera also....

On another note, the value of my 5D just dropped another few hundred bucks, lol.

Not sure if ths is correct as i can't find a manual for the software but

does anyone know if Red Giant " Frames " would convert the 30 frames to 24P ???

I could be wrong but I think it might....?...

There is a mic input.

We still need video lights because lighting a scene makes it look better!

Anybody know if the HDMI output is live off of the sensor?

This would go a long way if you could hook up a preview monitor.

Also, how do you think the color space compares to the video world, say 4:2:2?

This is looking like a very nice keying setup.

There are several tools that do the conversion (Magic Bullet, DV Filmmaker, Nattress Filter, Revision FX) but the render time penalties are severe and motion is never 100% right. 30p to 24p happens to be an awkard way to go as well.

Much better would be to pressure to Canon to add 24p to the camera. However, Canon has been very reluctant in the true 24p world compared to Panasonic, Sony and JVC (Frame Movie Mode, 24F etc.), so we shall see.

As a nature and wildlife videographer and photographer, I find this to be stunning news, especially given it's relatively low price. This is essentially a high quality video camera and still camera with medium format resolution. Yes, it's video camera capabilities are limited by the fact that it is first and foremost a still camera, but you won't always need to carry both into the field, you can use Canon's fantastic lenses without having to buy a DOF converter, and 30 fps is actually a very nice frame rate for nature, landscape, and travel work. Wow.

Buy this and you can skip the Scarlet, a medium format body, and the old 5D. How much of a savings is that! If the video quality stands up to later scrutiny and reviews, this might also make a great lightweight underwater setup (I think still camera underwater housings are a bit lighter than video housings.) I won't be getting rid of my XH-A1, but what a nice complement the 5d MKII would be.

Pat

I feel for you. I thought something like this might be coming, so I unloaded my 5D on ebay a couple of weeks ago.

Back to the topic, movie-enabled DSLRs are still cameras at heart and thus lack even basic video camera features, such as zebras, knee adjustment, etc. It is a promising start, however, and I look forward with excitement to what the future will bring.

the CF card recording time limitation is t he only issue. When shooting directed stuff, this is way better than investing in a DOF adpater I think. I could do stills n video with the same eqpt n yet have option of so many lens. COOL.. anybody wants a 40D??

Sorry, but as we have demonstrated on this site many times, 24F is indeed 24p. There's no difference and there's nothing about 24F that isn't "true" 24p. An NLE editing system can't distinguish any difference between 24F and 24p, and a human being wouldn't be able to, either. 24F is 24p.

Chris, 24f is 24fps but I was referring to the technique Canon used to derive it which results in some resolution loss - thus Canon using "24f" instead of 24p as all others refer to full resolution progressive.

In other words, they appear to use interlaced CCDs as their core tech and derive progressive instead of starting native progressive sensors and moving from there.

Of course, this camera is new tech and it's surprising it's only 30p given the market, the reception to 24p on the Nikon not to mention the savings in storage that 24p would offer and/or gentler compression.

The optional WFT-E4 grip will let you shoot to hdd, lan or usb. Specs say the video is limited to 4gb it remains to be seen if this is because of the camera and/or the cards.

I just looked at the sample clips on dpreview - pretty impressive. Seems to have the same rolling shutter (when branch moves rapidly) as the D90 though until we see some side by side tests, it will be hard to compare.

But the choice of codec and data rate is interesting. Canon has gone better quality and compression vs. post processing.

Very interesting times.

This is getting too far off topic for my taste, so here's the last mention of it in this thread.

Incorrect. There have been a number of "fake" 24p processes in the past that were not full resolution progressive and which had horrible motion signature. But it isn't the resolution that makes or breaks 24p; it's the cadence.

Incorrect. In Frame mode, those sensors are clocked as progressive and sampled as progressive. In Frame mode, it's as if it is a progressive sensor block. 24p is not "derived" but created from a full progressive mode (this is one of the biggest misunderstandings that some people have about Frame mode).

Incorrect. The vast majority of the market for the EOS 5D Mk. II would have *no idea* what to do with 24p. 24p appeals only to a very small slice of the overall market. Most people have no idea what it is or how to use it.

Incorrectly oversimplified. The frame rate does not dictate compression efficiency nearly as much as the processor. You could have one camera shooting 24p and another shooting 60p, and if the DSP and the encoding process on the 60p camera is more efficient, then it could provide gentler compression.

Far too much attention is mistakenly given to the image sensor -- the overall process is far more complicated and relies on many components working together, the most important of which is the processor.

And now... back to our 5D programming (there will be no further Frame mode interruptions -- please take any Frame mode questions to the appropriate threads in our Canon XH and XL boards -- thanks in advance),

It's a limitation of the camera, not the CF cards. From the press release:

"The EOS 5D Mark II will record video up to 4GB per clip or a maximum continuous movie capture time of 29 minutes and 59 seconds, whichever comes first. Depending on the level of detail in the scene, a 4GB memory card can record approximately 12 minutes of video at full HD resolution or approximately 24 minutes in standard definition."

In my opinion, they're confusing things a bit by referring to the capacity of a 4GB card in the sentence immediately following the statement about the 4GB clip limit.

I was oversimplying things because the 5D is point of discussion here.

But per 24p on the 5D, I have a hard time seeing how you think I'm "incorrect" that there is a tiny market for that feature. Nikon is promoting 24p on the consumer priced D90 and Canon's success with 24p on the HV20/30 says otherwise.

The 5D is popular camera amongst film and video people. I have no access to sales numbers, but unless you have hard numbers that show 24p to have no signifigant impact on 5D MkII sales, then I think it's a valid point.

I was referring to on this camera only - the codec and processor are already fixed. Recording 24 frames instead of 30 gives you the option of less compression or less space or mix of both.

Is the sensor windowed when recording 1920x1080 video? Just want to know how the DOF is affected.

Well there are no 5D Mk. II sales yet, so all I can offer is anecdotal evidence: in my experience, talking to a *lot* of people at trade shows and other events over the years, most of them have no idea what 24p is or how to use it, including photo / video professionals. 24p is a filmmaking tool, and I've come across large numbers of folks who are not filmmakers who have no knowledge of it at all.

It also gives you more strobing and motion judder from inexperienced handling, and a more pronounced "jello effect" from the image wobble produced by rolling-shutter CMOS. So I think it's mostly a matter of trade-offs.

The question I have is, why not offer both? Why not have 30p and 24p as selectable HD video frame rates in this camera? I'm betting there will be a firmware hack for this sometime not too far down the road once the camera gets into the CHDK community's hands.

Speaking of... anyone know when this will be in stores in North America?

Chdk
 

Hi Chris. Its a lot harder to hack CHDK for a DSLR than for a point and shoot. Thats why all the Powershots have a CHDK but so far, theres only a bit of progress for the 40D.

Supposed to be out by the end of November.

Opinion #1: I don't think the lack of 24p is so much protecting Canon's other market segment as much as just an independent manufacturing group not in tune to the motion video world per se, but simply proclaiming "Look what we can do!"

Opinion #2: Motion from 30p is smoother and better than 24p in every way. The problem is it's a bastard frame rate for HDTV. Blu-ray for example doesn't support 30p. Now many people don't believe Blu-ray has an extended future anyway. But until there is another better consumer format for delivery, people will come up with kludges to get 5D video to play on Blu-ray. Maybe it's as simple as adding 2:2 pulldown to play at 60i. Almost everything but on Blu-ray now is 24p. Going from 30p to 24p is not pretty.