5D MkII: Life after conversion, what to do? at DVinfo.net

Nilufer Rahman · November 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM

I'm having problems with editing my 5D footage that I have converted to ProRes 422 and am editing in FCP 6. I have Canon XHA1 HDV footage on the same timeline. The 5D stuff keeps skipping and is not smooth, and the render time is long.

I was told that the skipping might be happening b/c I do not have a RAID drive and my ProRes 422 HQ files won't run smoothly without a RAID. But there are not other ProRes codecs in Compressor that I can see. Or, does the choppiness have something to do with my mixed source timeline? Or is there SOMETHING I can do to fix this problem?

Looking forward to hearing from anyone who can help! Thanks!

Nil

Steev Dinkins · November 11th, 2009, 02:03 PM

What speed of computer are you using? What drives are you using? How are they connected? Firewire? SATA?

You can try using ProRes, instead of ProRes HQ. You probably won't tell the difference. But if you're system is choking on ProRes HQ, I'm not too hopeful for other flavors of it.

-steev

Louis Maddalena · November 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM

Yeah you can easily edit HDV through slower drives, but once you get to ProRes or XDCAM, etc, you are going to need at least internal SATA drives, and if its not going to be an internal drive connected through SATA, then you will need a RAID.

Steev Dinkins · November 11th, 2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louis Maddalena

once you get to ProRes or XDCAM, etc, you are going to need at least internal SATA drives

Should also mention hot swap external SATA drives connected to a SATA->PCI-E Card.

I'd say you don't need RAID for ProRes, unless you're doing multicam editing.

ProRes HQ is around 18MB/sec. I can easily single track edit that on firewire drives.

Silton Buendia · November 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM

Computer might be the issue but I'm editing on a Macbook Pro 2.4 with no issues. I use Firewire Drives for editing have have no issues editing with Pro Rez, you might want get a good firewire had drive, I use the Western Digital MyBooks and they do fine, I also just bought a higher end one with firewire 800.

From what I understand you can edit with the normal Pro Rez codec no problem in lost of quality, when I first started editing I was using the Pro Rez HQ and things still worked ok.

So you do not need a raid drive just get a good firewire one.

Evan Donn · November 18th, 2009, 10:52 PM

I'm also using Pro-Res (standard and HQ) on a macbook with firewire 800 drives, non-raid, with no problems, even the small bus powered ones (actually only tried standard on those).

Nick Hiltgen · November 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM

if you're not editing on a 30fps (I.e. you're editing on 29.97p) timeline, you'll get those issues.

Mitchell Lewis · November 27th, 2009, 10:20 AM

^^^^^Yep^^^^^ This is what I was thinking the problem is as well.

Olof Ekbergh · November 28th, 2009, 07:35 AM

I have notised this skipping as well.

It is definitely a 29.97 / 30 fps issue.

Use Cinema Tools or equivalent to conform to 29.97 before importing into NLE and you will not have the skipping problem.

Pedro Lemos · November 28th, 2009, 09:02 AM

Or a mismatch timeline/footage codec.
With Prores footage you need to work at a Prores timeline.
Please check timeline settings.

Mitchell Lewis · November 30th, 2009, 08:11 PM

What does the 5D record? 30p or 29.97p?

Jon Fairhurst · November 30th, 2009, 08:35 PM

Without any doubt 30p. There are a number of threads out there that claim 29.97. They are absolutely not correct. I have personally tested it.

The upcoming firmware will add 23.976 and 25p. I'm optimistic that 30p will be replaced with 29.97. I only know of one person who wants both 29.97 and 30p, but I doubt that Canon will provide both in order to minimize customer confusion.

The big question is whether the 5D2 will get 720p at 50 and 59.94. I've heard a rumor that "the 5D Mark II will get the same frame rates as the 7D", but I'm not willing to put money on it. I think that if they can do it, they will for consistency across the lineup, but I don't know that it's possible.

We will see...

Mitchell Lewis · November 30th, 2009, 08:41 PM

Thanks Jon. I'd love 29.97. It would be great if it would record at higher frame rates too. Doesn't the 7D do 50 fps? That would be nice.

Jon Fairhurst · December 1st, 2009, 01:31 PM

Yes, the 7D does 50 fps and 59.94 fps, but only at 720p.

I'm also hoping for the feature on the 5D2. I don't use slow motion often, but it would be nice to have.

Bill Binder · December 1st, 2009, 02:27 PM

The one thing that kind of bums me out is that you can't use 720p at 30p (or 29.97). There's some of us out here that would take advantage of that for certain everyday shooting opportunities (sometimes 1080p can be overkill but 480p 4x3 pretty much never cuts it). I've got my fingers crossed we get all of the frame rates of the 7D on the 5D2 next year, and with some extra luck, maybe 29.97 at 720 too (although I'm not holding my breath for that one). The other thing I like about 720p is that it boils down to a nice even multiple at 640x360 for certain online multimedia uses, but I digress...

November 11th, 2009, 01:29 PM	#1
Nilufer Rahman Tourist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 1	5D MkII: Life after conversion, what to do? I'm having problems with editing my 5D footage that I have converted to ProRes 422 and am editing in FCP 6. I have Canon XHA1 HDV footage on the same timeline. The 5D stuff keeps skipping and is not smooth, and the render time is long. I was told that the skipping might be happening b/c I do not have a RAID drive and my ProRes 422 HQ files won't run smoothly without a RAID. But there are not other ProRes codecs in Compressor that I can see. Or, does the choppiness have something to do with my mixed source timeline? Or is there SOMETHING I can do to fix this problem? Looking forward to hearing from anyone who can help! Thanks! Nil

November 11th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#2
Steev Dinkins Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 613	What speed of computer are you using? What drives are you using? How are they connected? Firewire? SATA? You can try using ProRes, instead of ProRes HQ. You probably won't tell the difference. But if you're system is choking on ProRes HQ, I'm not too hopeful for other flavors of it. -steev __________________ www.holyzoo.com

November 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM	#3
Louis Maddalena Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NYC Area. Posts: 550	Yeah you can easily edit HDV through slower drives, but once you get to ProRes or XDCAM, etc, you are going to need at least internal SATA drives, and if its not going to be an internal drive connected through SATA, then you will need a RAID. __________________ Red Epic available for rent, starting at $500 per day, Scarlets, and Lenses available too. rentals.maddalenamedia.com

November 18th, 2009, 10:52 PM	#6
Evan Donn Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 795	I'm also using Pro-Res (standard and HQ) on a macbook with firewire 800 drives, non-raid, with no problems, even the small bus powered ones (actually only tried standard on those). __________________ My latest short documentary: "Four Pauls: Bring the Hat Back!"

November 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM	#7
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	if you're not editing on a 30fps (I.e. you're editing on 29.97p) timeline, you'll get those issues. __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome... Last edited by Nick Hiltgen; November 19th, 2009 at 07:15 AM.

November 18th, 2009, 04:17 PM	#5
Silton Buendia Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 31	Computer might be the issue but I'm editing on a Macbook Pro 2.4 with no issues. I use Firewire Drives for editing have have no issues editing with Pro Rez, you might want get a good firewire had drive, I use the Western Digital MyBooks and they do fine, I also just bought a higher end one with firewire 800. From what I understand you can edit with the normal Pro Rez codec no problem in lost of quality, when I first started editing I was using the Pro Rez HQ and things still worked ok. So you do not need a raid drive just get a good firewire one.

November 27th, 2009, 10:20 AM	#8
Mitchell Lewis Trustee Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 1,124	^^^^^Yep^^^^^ This is what I was thinking the problem is as well. __________________ Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor

November 28th, 2009, 07:35 AM	#9
Olof Ekbergh Sponsor: Westside AV Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mount Washington Valley, NH, USA Posts: 1,365	I have notised this skipping as well. It is definitely a 29.97 / 30 fps issue. Use Cinema Tools or equivalent to conform to 29.97 before importing into NLE and you will not have the skipping problem.

November 28th, 2009, 09:02 AM	#10
Pedro Lemos New Boot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Porto, Portugal Posts: 6	Or a mismatch timeline/footage codec. With Prores footage you need to work at a Prores timeline. Please check timeline settings.

November 30th, 2009, 08:11 PM	#11
Mitchell Lewis Trustee Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 1,124	What does the 5D record? 30p or 29.97p? __________________ Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor

November 30th, 2009, 08:35 PM	#12
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Without any doubt 30p. There are a number of threads out there that claim 29.97. They are absolutely not correct. I have personally tested it. The upcoming firmware will add 23.976 and 25p. I'm optimistic that 30p will be replaced with 29.97. I only know of one person who wants both 29.97 and 30p, but I doubt that Canon will provide both in order to minimize customer confusion. The big question is whether the 5D2 will get 720p at 50 and 59.94. I've heard a rumor that "the 5D Mark II will get the same frame rates as the 7D", but I'm not willing to put money on it. I think that if they can do it, they will for consistency across the lineup, but I don't know that it's possible. We will see... __________________ Jon Fairhurst

November 30th, 2009, 08:41 PM	#13
Mitchell Lewis Trustee Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kennewick, WA Posts: 1,124	Thanks Jon. I'd love 29.97. It would be great if it would record at higher frame rates too. Doesn't the 7D do 50 fps? That would be nice. __________________ Sony EX3, Canon 5D MkII, Chrosziel Matte Box, Sachtler tripod, Steadicam Flyer, Mac Pro, Apple/Adobe software - 20 years as a local videographer/editor

December 1st, 2009, 01:31 PM	#14
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Yes, the 7D does 50 fps and 59.94 fps, but only at 720p. I'm also hoping for the feature on the 5D2. I don't use slow motion often, but it would be nice to have. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

December 1st, 2009, 02:27 PM	#15
Bill Binder Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 542	The one thing that kind of bums me out is that you can't use 720p at 30p (or 29.97). There's some of us out here that would take advantage of that for certain everyday shooting opportunities (sometimes 1080p can be overkill but 480p 4x3 pretty much never cuts it). I've got my fingers crossed we get all of the frame rates of the 7D on the 5D2 next year, and with some extra luck, maybe 29.97 at 720 too (although I'm not holding my breath for that one). The other thing I like about 720p is that it boils down to a nice even multiple at 640x360 for certain online multimedia uses, but I digress...