Difference between 5D MOV files and converted AVI files at DVinfo.net

Mitchell Yazdani · March 1st, 2010, 04:48 AM

Hi,

Can some one please explain this to me in plain English, I can not really work out the best choise.

This is all in PAL region;

I have been trying to find the best way to edit my 5D projects on PC, I have tried Edius 5 and Premiere 4 and Cineform.

Original MOV file was 11 seconds, 30fps, 56.9meg large, data bitrate 41954kbps, Total bitrate 43399kbps, Red Render bar, 1920x1088

1- I converted the MOV files to AVI using NeoScene, it made my clips longer at 25fps;

13 seconds, 25fps, 252meg large, data bitrate 161686kbps, Total bitrate 163097kbps, 1920x1088, clips seems to be more contrasty and saturated, a bit darker, Yellow Render bar, easier to edit in PP.

2- I converted the MOV files to AVI HQ with Edius, it made my clips same lenght at 25fps;

11 seconds, 25fps, 275meg large, data bitrate 208773kbps, Total bitrate 210309kbps, 1920x1088, clips seems to be a bit flater and less saturated, a bit darker, Yellow Render bar, easier to edit in PP.

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So why Neoscene makes them slowmotion but Canopus HQ doesn't, why the bitrates are different, and which one is better?

Thank you for your help.

Cheers
Mitchell
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Sydney Wedding Videos and DVDs - Icon Film Productions, High Defenition

David W. Taylor · March 1st, 2010, 07:51 AM

I believe the 'standard NeoScene' doesn't allow for 25fps conversion..it makes your 30fps 5DMk2 camera files into 29.97fps .avi's, but it does now allow for 24/25fps files from the 7D.
How are you making them into 25 fps files? Are you dropping them into a 25fps project?
I do all my editing in Premiere Pro in a 29.97 project and then convert to 25fps if I need to on the completed edit.
There are other Cineform products that do allow for frame rate conversions to 25fps.

Mitchell Yazdani · March 1st, 2010, 12:54 PM

I am using basic NeoScene and it doesn't give me any option, it automaticaly converts them to 25 (I was also wondering why it changed them to25?!), I do not see any option any where for 25 or 29.97. I think I saw that option on the trial version of ProspectHD.

Mitchell Yazdani · March 2nd, 2010, 04:27 PM

Can any one from Cineform or whoever is familiar with this explain that to me please?
Thanks
Mitchell

Matthew Roddy · March 2nd, 2010, 06:30 PM

I'm not in front of my Cineform right now, but in HDLink, you should be able to go to Prefs (or Options, I forget) and set your Output Frame Rate (or similar).

For more info, you can visit the Cineform forum right here in DVInfo.

Mitchell Yazdani · March 2nd, 2010, 11:01 PM

NeoScene doesn't give you that option at all. I am not sure why I bought it, it seems to be useless. Somehow it convert my footage to 25fps and slow motion.

Perhaps I have to stick to Eduis and get a refund for my NeoScene (I wish)!

Nigel Barker · March 3rd, 2010, 08:31 AM

Neoscene costs $129 & ProspectHD costs $749. The latter has more functionality which is reflected in the price.

March 1st, 2010, 04:48 AM	#1
Mitchell Yazdani Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 79	Difference between 5D MOV files and converted AVI files Hi, Can some one please explain this to me in plain English, I can not really work out the best choise. This is all in PAL region; I have been trying to find the best way to edit my 5D projects on PC, I have tried Edius 5 and Premiere 4 and Cineform. Original MOV file was 11 seconds, 30fps, 56.9meg large, data bitrate 41954kbps, Total bitrate 43399kbps, Red Render bar, 1920x1088 1- I converted the MOV files to AVI using NeoScene, it made my clips longer at 25fps; 13 seconds, 25fps, 252meg large, data bitrate 161686kbps, Total bitrate 163097kbps, 1920x1088, clips seems to be more contrasty and saturated, a bit darker, Yellow Render bar, easier to edit in PP. 2- I converted the MOV files to AVI HQ with Edius, it made my clips same lenght at 25fps; 11 seconds, 25fps, 275meg large, data bitrate 208773kbps, Total bitrate 210309kbps, 1920x1088, clips seems to be a bit flater and less saturated, a bit darker, Yellow Render bar, easier to edit in PP. ___________________________________________ So why Neoscene makes them slowmotion but Canopus HQ doesn't, why the bitrates are different, and which one is better? Thank you for your help. Cheers Mitchell ___________________________________________ Sydney Wedding Videos and DVDs - Icon Film Productions, High Defenition Last edited by Mitchell Yazdani; March 1st, 2010 at 12:52 PM.

March 1st, 2010, 07:51 AM	#2
David W. Taylor Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pinewood Film Studios, Bucks, United Kingdom Posts: 80	I believe the 'standard NeoScene' doesn't allow for 25fps conversion..it makes your 30fps 5DMk2 camera files into 29.97fps .avi's, but it does now allow for 24/25fps files from the 7D. How are you making them into 25 fps files? Are you dropping them into a 25fps project? I do all my editing in Premiere Pro in a 29.97 project and then convert to 25fps if I need to on the completed edit. There are other Cineform products that do allow for frame rate conversions to 25fps.

March 1st, 2010, 12:54 PM	#3
Mitchell Yazdani Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 79	I am using basic NeoScene and it doesn't give me any option, it automaticaly converts them to 25 (I was also wondering why it changed them to25?!), I do not see any option any where for 25 or 29.97. I think I saw that option on the trial version of ProspectHD.

March 2nd, 2010, 04:27 PM	#4
Mitchell Yazdani Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 79	Can any one from Cineform or whoever is familiar with this explain that to me please? Thanks Mitchell

March 2nd, 2010, 06:30 PM	#5
Matthew Roddy Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca Posts: 307	I'm not in front of my Cineform right now, but in HDLink, you should be able to go to Prefs (or Options, I forget) and set your Output Frame Rate (or similar). For more info, you can visit the Cineform forum right here in DVInfo.

March 2nd, 2010, 11:01 PM	#6
Mitchell Yazdani Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 79	NeoScene doesn't give you that option at all. I am not sure why I bought it, it seems to be useless. Somehow it convert my footage to 25fps and slow motion. Perhaps I have to stick to Eduis and get a refund for my NeoScene (I wish)!

March 3rd, 2010, 08:31 AM	#7
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	Neoscene costs $129 & ProspectHD costs $749. The latter has more functionality which is reflected in the price.