Why did the HV20 take a 150 swing up at BH? at DVinfo.net

Matt Buys · November 5th, 2007, 07:06 PM

I was just about to buy another one at BH at 749 and then when I had the cash . . . 899? Is it the dollar? If so, then maybe I should buy one before they're 1800?

Ben Syverson · November 5th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Maybe they were on special before? $749 is pretty good...

David Braund · November 5th, 2007, 08:14 PM

can i order one from the UK?

the pound is looking really good right now

Michael Wisniewski · November 5th, 2007, 10:28 PM

As any bargain shopper knows, you don't wait for winter to get the best prices on skis, you wait until the beginning of summer. Betcha get a better price on that HV20 closer to New Years Day.

Nacho Ruiz · November 5th, 2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Braund

can i order one from the UK?

the pound is looking really good right now

You would have the NTSC 60i Problem with a US HV20

Ben Syverson · November 6th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Braund

the pound is looking really good right now

If I lived in the UK, I'd take an empty suitcase to New York and fill it up with as much stuff as I could buy... Good time to live on the Continent!

Meryem Ersoz · November 6th, 2007, 09:20 AM

matt, i think it was a temporary price reduction to stay competitive with other retailers that were offering it at around the $800 level, but i think those prices have expired elsewhere as well. sometimes you only have a short window to grab those kinds of deals....

Bruce Foreman · November 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM

I got my order in Sat evening (Nov 3) while it was at $798.

Should arrive at my doorstep tomorrow about 6PM. I noticed it at $749 but hadn't been pushed over the edge yet.

Damn, I really wanted the XH A1 but...

Wes Vasher · November 6th, 2007, 02:05 PM

B&H had them for $749! Dang, they were practically giving them away.

David Braund · November 6th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacho Ruiz

You would have the NTSC 60i Problem with a US HV20

im not filming direct to tape

but to disk, for NLE editing

would that still be a problem?

Carl Middleton · November 6th, 2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Braund

im not filming direct to tape

but to disk, for NLE editing

would that still be a problem?

Yes. The frame rate is still saved, and then you have to deal with it in post. NTSC (60i) will not play well with others (PAL, 50i), without a re-render.

To have to always re-render all of your footage would quickly drive you insane, and frame rate changing renders are never quick and painless.

C

Matt Buys · November 7th, 2007, 10:02 PM

I'd be careful with any online seller that sells something cheaper than BH. I think if you do a quick google of that company with review in the word you might see why. It's a big reason Chris gets upset when he sees people posting other websites that are not DVI sponsors. I'm sure it pains him when this website might inadvertently facilitate people getting taken advantage of . . . Most 'great deals' like the one you found are from people preying on trusting people like you and me who are counting are pennies and can least afford to suffer the consequences.

The biggest giveaway I've found is the suspect website invariably has some smiling babe with a phone headset on and when you do call you get some big, hairy sounding guy in Brooklyn.

James David Walley · November 8th, 2007, 01:58 AM

I've had lots of good luck with B&H, and have used it for many equipment purchases over the last decade. Still, I'm not really comfortable with a blanket "if it's cheaper than B&H, it's probably a scam" rule. The fact is, B&H rarely offers much if anything in the way of a price break (I bought from them for equipment I couldn't readily purchase in this area), and, while browsing, I've seen lower prices on many items from e-tailers with whom I've also had reliable dealings, such as BuyDig, OneCall, and NewEgg. I think that assuming the worst about anyone charging less than B&H will cost both the consumer and the market, as it will hurt legitimate, ethical B&H competitors such as the companies I mentioned above. Put it another way: one could easily make a similar claim that, if you really wanted to avoid getting scammed, you should disregard mail-order or e-tailers (including B&H) altogether and only buy your product "hands-on" at local big-box stores like Best Buy or Circuit City.

Chris Hurd · November 8th, 2007, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Buys

I'm sure it pains him when this website might inadvertently facilitate people getting taken advantage of...

Indeed, that is the very reason why I take the time to remove such references from public view and occasionally close the accounts of those who insist on posting them. Just so you know. Thanks Matt,

Andrew Swihart · November 8th, 2007, 08:42 AM

OK sorry Chris I didn't know you had these rules, I won't do that anymore.

November 5th, 2007, 07:06 PM	#1
Matt Buys Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Asheville NC Posts: 426	Why did the HV20 take a 150 swing up at BH? I was just about to buy another one at BH at 749 and then when I had the cash . . . 899? Is it the dollar? If so, then maybe I should buy one before they're 1800?

November 5th, 2007, 10:28 PM	#4
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	As any bargain shopper knows, you don't wait for winter to get the best prices on skis, you wait until the beginning of summer. Betcha get a better price on that HV20 closer to New Years Day. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

November 6th, 2007, 02:05 PM	#9
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	B&H had them for $749! Dang, they were practically giving them away. __________________ Clips \| Stills

November 5th, 2007, 07:12 PM	#2
Ben Syverson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 434	Maybe they were on special before? $749 is pretty good...

November 5th, 2007, 08:14 PM	#3
David Braund Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 75	can i order one from the UK? the pound is looking really good right now

November 6th, 2007, 09:20 AM	#7
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	matt, i think it was a temporary price reduction to stay competitive with other retailers that were offering it at around the $800 level, but i think those prices have expired elsewhere as well. sometimes you only have a short window to grab those kinds of deals....

November 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM	#8
Bruce Foreman Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Angelo Texas Posts: 1,518	I got my order in Sat evening (Nov 3) while it was at $798. Should arrive at my doorstep tomorrow about 6PM. I noticed it at $749 but hadn't been pushed over the edge yet. Damn, I really wanted the XH A1 but...

November 7th, 2007, 10:02 PM	#12
Matt Buys Major Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Asheville NC Posts: 426	I'd be careful with any online seller that sells something cheaper than BH. I think if you do a quick google of that company with review in the word you might see why. It's a big reason Chris gets upset when he sees people posting other websites that are not DVI sponsors. I'm sure it pains him when this website might inadvertently facilitate people getting taken advantage of . . . Most 'great deals' like the one you found are from people preying on trusting people like you and me who are counting are pennies and can least afford to suffer the consequences. The biggest giveaway I've found is the suspect website invariably has some smiling babe with a phone headset on and when you do call you get some big, hairy sounding guy in Brooklyn.

November 8th, 2007, 01:58 AM	#13
James David Walley New Boot Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Maple Valley, Washington Posts: 16	I've had lots of good luck with B&H, and have used it for many equipment purchases over the last decade. Still, I'm not really comfortable with a blanket "if it's cheaper than B&H, it's probably a scam" rule. The fact is, B&H rarely offers much if anything in the way of a price break (I bought from them for equipment I couldn't readily purchase in this area), and, while browsing, I've seen lower prices on many items from e-tailers with whom I've also had reliable dealings, such as BuyDig, OneCall, and NewEgg. I think that assuming the worst about anyone charging less than B&H will cost both the consumer and the market, as it will hurt legitimate, ethical B&H competitors such as the companies I mentioned above. Put it another way: one could easily make a similar claim that, if you really wanted to avoid getting scammed, you should disregard mail-order or e-tailers (including B&H) altogether and only buy your product "hands-on" at local big-box stores like Best Buy or Circuit City.

November 8th, 2007, 08:42 AM	#15
Andrew Swihart Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 25	OK sorry Chris I didn't know you had these rules, I won't do that anymore.