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David Tufino · February 10th, 2008, 04:57 PM

okay i got my HG10, and need some advice/Help!

I took the camera out just to film our dog, i mainly got this camera to film Biking, and Sports, but after seeing the video of my dog, i was not happy!

The video came out with alot of ghosting in different settings.... mainly the most Disappointing was Shutter Prioty @ 1000 running 60i..... Alot of ghosting...

can someone, anyone give me a few settings to try out for shooting my dog running around, shooting with alot of movements and biking, i'm currenty uploading a video to vimeo, as soon as it's up it'll edit this thread and post the link to the video!

thanks!

David Tufino · February 10th, 2008, 10:08 PM

seems like Vimeo is having issues....

Guy Bruner · February 11th, 2008, 06:00 AM

David,
I have never had good results with a consumer camcorder at shutter speeds over 1/500. You have to have VERY BRIGHT conditions not to throw the cam into gain. When you start using gain, the video begins to deteriorate and get muddy looking. Also, shooting at 1/500 or faster will cause major stuttering effects. How that looks when you play it back on an LCD monitor could be your ghosting issue.

David Tufino · February 11th, 2008, 08:35 AM

Guy thanks for the response, i thin kit was the shutter speed, i took my dog down (before it got like 5 below zero) and had her run around while i shot in different settings. Here is my take:

Auto: Walking and shooting with auto caused some ghosting

Sport: Sport did not perform as well i as though tit would, but it was good enough

Cine Mode: Cine mode was pretty decent, but the colors seems dead-like

Sunset: Sunset was actually really really good.... the colors came out great/bright and my dog was running around and i managed to get the full motion with partial ghosting

i'll post a video once Vimeo finishes rendering it!

David Tufino · February 11th, 2008, 09:02 AM

http://www.vimeo.com/681643

this is a test Video:

So far I'm unhappy with the performance!

i thought the camera would perform much better, my Sanyo Xacti HD2 performed much better than this! VERY VERY Disappointed...

David Tufino · February 11th, 2008, 02:23 PM

Okay i got fed up and took the HG10 back to B&H, and i picked up a Sanyp Xacti HD1000. after emerying i got back 120.00 dollars and am much happier with the video quality the HD1000 is producing.

i will test it out and we can compare the outside shots with my dog again. but in the meantime here's a video i shot @ lunch today.

Here is the video i shot with the HD1000:

http://www.vimeo.com/682703

Leopold Hamulczyk · February 12th, 2008, 01:04 AM

From what I can see your ghosting is interlace-related. Did you deinterlace (properly) before sending your video to Vimeo? I've seen ghosting like that sending interlaced SD video to Youtube. Look at my video http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_4Io5CZKA and you'll see the same sort of ghosting. I can't be bothered deinterlacing and resubmitting the video. Whereas my video http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wCQ5EZDXRVA has no ghosting because I deinterlaced it first. It still has enough motion which would cause ghosting. What software were you using? If you still have the original file, deinterlace it first, then reduce it to whatever resolution/file format you need. I've seen absolutely no ghosting in my reductions to SD DVD from my HG10. It looks perfect on the TV. Interlaced video will never look great on a monitor. And it's very dependent on what software you are using to play it back.

Ken Ross · February 12th, 2008, 02:15 PM

I would agree. I used the HG10 and saw virtually no ghosting with camera output directly to a large screen HDTV.

David Tufino · February 12th, 2008, 03:10 PM

Thanks guys, but i took back the camera and picked up the Sanyo HD1000, out of the box that things shoots great s videos... something that i need. i don;t have time to spend deinterlacing videos....

but thanks guys for all the input!

Chris Hurd · February 12th, 2008, 03:24 PM

That's okay David, we have a forum for the Sanyo as well:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=115

Hope to see you there,

February 10th, 2008, 04:57 PM	#1
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	HG10 Help okay i got my HG10, and need some advice/Help! I took the camera out just to film our dog, i mainly got this camera to film Biking, and Sports, but after seeing the video of my dog, i was not happy! The video came out with alot of ghosting in different settings.... mainly the most Disappointing was Shutter Prioty @ 1000 running 60i..... Alot of ghosting... can someone, anyone give me a few settings to try out for shooting my dog running around, shooting with alot of movements and biking, i'm currenty uploading a video to vimeo, as soon as it's up it'll edit this thread and post the link to the video! thanks! Last edited by David Tufino; February 10th, 2008 at 08:19 PM.

February 11th, 2008, 02:23 PM	#6
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	Okay i got fed up and took the HG10 back to B&H, and i picked up a Sanyp Xacti HD1000. after emerying i got back 120.00 dollars and am much happier with the video quality the HD1000 is producing. i will test it out and we can compare the outside shots with my dog again. but in the meantime here's a video i shot @ lunch today. Here is the video i shot with the HD1000: http://www.vimeo.com/682703 Last edited by David Tufino; February 11th, 2008 at 04:07 PM.

February 12th, 2008, 01:04 AM	#7
Leopold Hamulczyk New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bairnsdale, Vic (Australia) Posts: 21	From what I can see your ghosting is interlace-related. Did you deinterlace (properly) before sending your video to Vimeo? I've seen ghosting like that sending interlaced SD video to Youtube. Look at my video http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_4Io5CZKA and you'll see the same sort of ghosting. I can't be bothered deinterlacing and resubmitting the video. Whereas my video http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wCQ5EZDXRVA has no ghosting because I deinterlaced it first. It still has enough motion which would cause ghosting. What software were you using? If you still have the original file, deinterlace it first, then reduce it to whatever resolution/file format you need. I've seen absolutely no ghosting in my reductions to SD DVD from my HG10. It looks perfect on the TV. Interlaced video will never look great on a monitor. And it's very dependent on what software you are using to play it back. Last edited by Leopold Hamulczyk; February 12th, 2008 at 04:23 AM.

February 12th, 2008, 03:24 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	That's okay David, we have a forum for the Sanyo as well: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=115 Hope to see you there, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 10th, 2008, 10:08 PM	#2
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	seems like Vimeo is having issues....

February 11th, 2008, 06:00 AM	#3
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	David, I have never had good results with a consumer camcorder at shutter speeds over 1/500. You have to have VERY BRIGHT conditions not to throw the cam into gain. When you start using gain, the video begins to deteriorate and get muddy looking. Also, shooting at 1/500 or faster will cause major stuttering effects. How that looks when you play it back on an LCD monitor could be your ghosting issue.

February 11th, 2008, 08:35 AM	#4
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	Guy thanks for the response, i thin kit was the shutter speed, i took my dog down (before it got like 5 below zero) and had her run around while i shot in different settings. Here is my take: Auto: Walking and shooting with auto caused some ghosting Sport: Sport did not perform as well i as though tit would, but it was good enough Cine Mode: Cine mode was pretty decent, but the colors seems dead-like Sunset: Sunset was actually really really good.... the colors came out great/bright and my dog was running around and i managed to get the full motion with partial ghosting i'll post a video once Vimeo finishes rendering it!

February 11th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#5
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	http://www.vimeo.com/681643 this is a test Video: So far I'm unhappy with the performance! i thought the camera would perform much better, my Sanyo Xacti HD2 performed much better than this! VERY VERY Disappointed...

February 12th, 2008, 02:15 PM	#8
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	I would agree. I used the HG10 and saw virtually no ghosting with camera output directly to a large screen HDTV.

February 12th, 2008, 03:10 PM	#9
David Tufino Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 39	Thanks guys, but i took back the camera and picked up the Sanyo HD1000, out of the box that things shoots great s videos... something that i need. i don;t have time to spend deinterlacing videos.... but thanks guys for all the input!