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Martyn Hull · May 17th, 2009, 09:58 AM

My new hv30 gave some very strage reults at times in very strong wind , i was testing it with my SR12 both on tripods the sr 12s a lighter one, both had the IS left on, wide angle but the juddery effecton the HV30 is something i have not seen before. The cam was moving for sure could the wind blowing against the cam cause it.
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Martyn Hull · May 18th, 2009, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Martyn Hull

My new hv30 gave some very strage reults at times in very strong wind , i was testing it with my SR12 both on tripods the sr 12s a lighter one, both had the IS left on, wide angle but the juddery effecton the HV30 is something i have not seen before. The cam was moving for sure could the wind blowing against the cam cause it.
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No inklins i just wondered if anyone else has experienced this in high wind, it is a concern with a new cam and expecialy regarding the hassle returning it is.

Bill Busby · May 18th, 2009, 03:44 AM

What kind of tripod & head? Anything el cheapo would cause this for sure in strong winds.

Andy Tejral · May 18th, 2009, 06:35 AM

It certainly looks like the IS is struggling at the end of its reach. I've not noticed anything like this. Could be something with the frequency or amount of vibration.

Alas, it is calm today. A couple of days ago, I could have duplicated...

What does it look like with out IS?

Martyn Hull · May 18th, 2009, 12:04 PM

The HV30 was on a sturdier velbon compared to the SR12, i am hoping it was because the IS was on[although it was on both]the wind blowing against the cam must have caused it although it was held steady.Andy i have checked without IS on but it was not as windy so the affect was not there and it was not a true test.thanks

Tripp Woelfel · May 18th, 2009, 06:25 PM

My mantra is if the cam's on a set of sticks the image stabilization is always off. Wind, vibrations from the floor/ground and your panning and tilting will run an IS out of smarts in a hurry. It's only guessing what's going on to start with and when you add in various discordant movements it's going to make rather poor guesses.

Martyn Hull · May 19th, 2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripp Woelfel

My mantra is if the cam's on a set of sticks the image stabilization is always off. Wind, vibrations from the floor/ground and your panning and tilting will run an IS out of smarts in a hurry. It's only guessing what's going on to start with and when you add in various discordant movements it's going to make rather poor guesses.

Yes true but the shots had no panning, wide angle ,and were on the level, iam hoping it was the IS but strange the other cam showed nothing similar.

Tripp Woelfel · May 19th, 2009, 06:18 AM

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Yes true but the shots had no panning, wide angle ,and were on the level, iam hoping it was the IS but strange the other cam showed nothing similar.

Different cameras, different internal mechanicals. Your comparison, while interesting on some level, isn't really important. Rule of thumb, from people a lot brighter than me, is to turn of the IS when on the tripod. The camera without issues should continue to not have them and the Canon's issues should disappear.

Andy Tejral · May 19th, 2009, 06:34 AM

Certainly, tripod = no IS.

But, the behavior of the camera leads me to think that there may be something wrong. But I'd like to see with/without video to be sure. Still hasn't been windy here for me to compare.

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Ken Plotin · May 19th, 2009, 09:57 AM

Martyn,
That's a huge file and won't download for me. Can you post a You Tube or Vimeo sized file?
Definitely sounds like an OIS problem I experienced with my old XL1 on a windy day. Static shot, lots of "ghosting" as the OIS valiently attempted to counteract the buffeting.
Reality check never forgotten!
Hope this helps.
Ken

Martyn Hull · May 19th, 2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy Tejral

Certainly, tripod = no IS.

But, the behavior of the camera leads me to think that there may be something wrong. But I'd like to see with/without video to be sure. Still hasn't been windy here for me to compare.

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Andy i got no help from the canon HV20/30/40 forum ,i plan to keep the IS off on trpods from now on,not sure what you mean by with/without video to be sure, thanks

Ken this is not so much ghosting as the picture looks like the tripod is being slightly shaken, i dont know why you cant get it up but i dont think vimeo has the quality to realy show the effect, glad i am not the only person to have had trouble with cams on tripods with the IS on, thanks very much for your input.

Martyn Hull · May 20th, 2009, 08:57 AM

Another thing that is a bit disapointing is fact red seems to be beefed up too much, green grass in the outdoor setting looks fine better than auto but in all settings red is too strong, it is especialy noticable on old buildings where it gives the neutral stone a slightly red look, i dont think there is a way to reduce red without reducing all the colors if i am correct.

Dave Blackhurst · May 20th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Martyn -
You've found the second big disappointment for me with the Canon - I noticed reds and certain greens seemed way over pumped, although I suspect it's possible to correct for this with all the tweakable settings. The body noise kept me from taking the time to bother, as there was no getting around it...

Over the years I've noticed a tendency for Canon cameras to have the reds look very over-emphasized though. Then again Sony tends to have blue/purple issues sometimes... it sort of depends on what you're used to.

Martyn Hull · May 20th, 2009, 02:27 PM

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Martyn -
You've found the second big disappointment for me with the Canon - I noticed reds and certain greens seemed way over pumped, although I suspect it's possible to correct for this with all the tweakable settings. The body noise kept me from taking the time to bother, as there was no getting around it...

Over the years I've noticed a tendency for Canon cameras to have the reds look very over-emphasized though. Then again Sony tends to have blue/purple issues sometimes... it sort of depends on what you're used to.

Thanks for the input Dave it looks like something i will have to live with , i have tested the HV against my SR 12 and if anything greens edged it for me with the HV also blue sky but there is little in it, the pumped up reds are the weak link on the canon for sure ,regarding noise i find using the rode stereo the sound is fine with no noise but as i have said before how a camera company can make such a poorly made thing is beyond me, anyway as i need to do lossless edited films it will have to do me for now and i still have the SR and FX-7 but i dont use it much now if theres a lot of walking.

May 17th, 2009, 09:58 AM	#1
Martyn Hull Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: England Posts: 444	Whats wrong with this My new hv30 gave some very strage reults at times in very strong wind , i was testing it with my SR12 both on tripods the sr 12s a lighter one, both had the IS left on, wide angle but the juddery effecton the HV30 is something i have not seen before. The cam was moving for sure could the wind blowing against the cam cause it. 40 secs of film MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service

May 18th, 2009, 06:35 AM	#4
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	It certainly looks like the IS is struggling at the end of its reach. I've not noticed anything like this. Could be something with the frequency or amount of vibration. Alas, it is calm today. A couple of days ago, I could have duplicated... What does it look like with out IS? __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

May 19th, 2009, 06:34 AM	#9
Andy Tejral Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 523	Certainly, tripod = no IS. But, the behavior of the camera leads me to think that there may be something wrong. But I'd like to see with/without video to be sure. Still hasn't been windy here for me to compare. Have you tried the HV20 forum? Canon HV20, HV30 & HV40 User Forum - Powered by vBulletin __________________ Andy Tejral Railroad Videographer

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May 18th, 2009, 03:44 AM	#3
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	What kind of tripod & head? Anything el cheapo would cause this for sure in strong winds.

May 18th, 2009, 12:04 PM	#5
Martyn Hull Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: England Posts: 444	The HV30 was on a sturdier velbon compared to the SR12, i am hoping it was because the IS was on[although it was on both]the wind blowing against the cam must have caused it although it was held steady.Andy i have checked without IS on but it was not as windy so the affect was not there and it was not a true test.thanks

May 18th, 2009, 06:25 PM	#6
Tripp Woelfel Trustee Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: North Conway, NH Posts: 1,745	My mantra is if the cam's on a set of sticks the image stabilization is always off. Wind, vibrations from the floor/ground and your panning and tilting will run an IS out of smarts in a hurry. It's only guessing what's going on to start with and when you add in various discordant movements it's going to make rather poor guesses.

May 19th, 2009, 09:57 AM	#10
Ken Plotin Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 254	Martyn, That's a huge file and won't download for me. Can you post a You Tube or Vimeo sized file? Definitely sounds like an OIS problem I experienced with my old XL1 on a windy day. Static shot, lots of "ghosting" as the OIS valiently attempted to counteract the buffeting. Reality check never forgotten! Hope this helps. Ken

May 20th, 2009, 08:57 AM	#12
Martyn Hull Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: England Posts: 444	Another thing that is a bit disapointing is fact red seems to be beefed up too much, green grass in the outdoor setting looks fine better than auto but in all settings red is too strong, it is especialy noticable on old buildings where it gives the neutral stone a slightly red look, i dont think there is a way to reduce red without reducing all the colors if i am correct.

May 20th, 2009, 01:15 PM	#13
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Martyn - You've found the second big disappointment for me with the Canon - I noticed reds and certain greens seemed way over pumped, although I suspect it's possible to correct for this with all the tweakable settings. The body noise kept me from taking the time to bother, as there was no getting around it... Over the years I've noticed a tendency for Canon cameras to have the reds look very over-emphasized though. Then again Sony tends to have blue/purple issues sometimes... it sort of depends on what you're used to.