Frame Mode Or 24f For Sure! at DVinfo.net

Peter Macletis · August 23rd, 2006, 01:24 AM

OK, I am most (positively) shocked at the video quality of the samples of the HV10 as posted by Martin Sinclair's new thread (thanks Martin :), specially taking in consideration they are heavily MPEG/Quicktime compressed so not reflecting the best this camera can do.

However, have you guys downloaded and seen all the video clips, specially ezsm01.mpg and ezsm03.mpg ones? Guess what? The motion is clearly not 60i! It is either 24f (most probably not) or most likely "Frame mode" like the original Optura and XL-1. This is great news! At least its better than nothing!!! This is G*R*E*A*T news indeed!!!

Tony Tibbetts · August 23rd, 2006, 02:13 AM

It looks like a higher shutter rate on some of the shots, or maybe the way it was encoded, but I don't think it's a frame mode of any kind.

Chris Hurd · August 23rd, 2006, 07:21 AM

Sorry, definitely not Frame mode.

Peter Macletis · August 23rd, 2006, 01:40 PM

OK, you might be right, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. It looks to me exactely the type of shutter effect I got on the XL-1, but I may be mistaken.

Tony Tibbetts · August 23rd, 2006, 06:26 PM

Hey, I hope there is a frame/cinema mode in this camera. I think that there is at the very least a 50/50 chance it will. It's direct competition is the Sony HC3 and it has the Cineframe mode re-badged as cinema mode. So cross your fingers.

I just rewatched that footage, and I have to say some of the shallow DOF shots look really good.

Chris Hurd · August 23rd, 2006, 06:35 PM

Sorry, but again, there definitely is NOT any Frame mode or cinema mode in the Canon HV10 (and if there was, it would have been heavily advertised already).

Peter Macletis · August 23rd, 2006, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Sorry, but again, there definitely is NOT any Frame mode or cinema mode in the Canon HV10 (and if there was, it would have been heavily advertised already).

If shooting at 1/30s shutter speed (and using ND filters as needed) would it provide a motion similar to 30fps frame mode?

Bill Taka · August 23rd, 2006, 09:28 PM

Hey Chris,

Have you mentioned the HV10 doesn't have Frame Mode yet?

Michael Wisniewski · August 24th, 2006, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Macletis

If shooting at 1/30s shutter speed (and using ND filters as needed) would it provide a motion similar to 30fps frame mode?

Shooting interlaced video at 1/30 gives you a dreamier look. I think it's closer in character to 24p. To get something that looks more like 30p/frame mode, it's probably more effective to shoot at a higher shutter speed.

Mark Kubat · August 28th, 2006, 11:14 PM

there might not in fact be any frame mode on this camera?

Whoa, that is news, isn't it?

okay, sorry - I'm sure Chris is gonna prune me.

Kurth Bousman · August 31st, 2006, 02:59 PM

for not including 24f - many filmakers would have been interested in using a really portable cam just for image , recording doublesystemsound. I think they'll include it on later models since it's their proprietary firmware. Lets' hope so. That would be my next cam. Kurth

Peter Macletis · September 3rd, 2006, 01:33 AM

With the lack of 24F shooting mode as a given (unfortunately) would anyone here venture to guess how the HV10's footage may look like when processed by 24p conversion software like DVFilm's 24p Maker, or 24p conversion suites like FilmFX or Magic Bullet?

Peter Macletis · September 4th, 2006, 06:50 PM

Color and Gamma Corrected sample footage converted to 24p via TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress Pro for Windows can be downloaded from HERE. This is a WMV-HD file (format from which I got the best conversion results). On a Core Duo 2.8GHz CPU this took about 32 minutes which is very slow but the results are worth any wait. Now more than ever, the HV10 is for me positively worth the camera's tag price (despite the hours of computing convertion times needed for film-like results).

Yi Fong Yu · September 11th, 2006, 06:44 AM

you can finally shoot family memories in HD at an affordable price and very high quality than SD! and it's got frame mode 24F!

i kid... i kid.

*ducking to avoid crossfires*.

August 23rd, 2006, 01:24 AM	#1
Peter Macletis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY Posts: 54	Frame Mode Or 24f For Sure! OK, I am most (positively) shocked at the video quality of the samples of the HV10 as posted by Martin Sinclair's new thread (thanks Martin :), specially taking in consideration they are heavily MPEG/Quicktime compressed so not reflecting the best this camera can do. However, have you guys downloaded and seen all the video clips, specially ezsm01.mpg and ezsm03.mpg ones? Guess what? The motion is clearly not 60i! It is either 24f (most probably not) or most likely "Frame mode" like the original Optura and XL-1. This is great news! At least its better than nothing!!! This is GREAT news indeed!!!

August 23rd, 2006, 07:21 AM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Sorry, definitely not Frame mode. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 23rd, 2006, 06:35 PM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Sorry, but again, there definitely is NOT any Frame mode or cinema mode in the Canon HV10 (and if there was, it would have been heavily advertised already). __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 28th, 2006, 11:14 PM	#10
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	so what you're saying is... there might not in fact be any frame mode on this camera? Whoa, that is news, isn't it? okay, sorry - I'm sure Chris is gonna prune me.

August 31st, 2006, 02:59 PM	#11
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	dumb move for not including 24f - many filmakers would have been interested in using a really portable cam just for image , recording doublesystemsound. I think they'll include it on later models since it's their proprietary firmware. Lets' hope so. That would be my next cam. Kurth

August 23rd, 2006, 02:13 AM	#2
Tony Tibbetts Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 385	It looks like a higher shutter rate on some of the shots, or maybe the way it was encoded, but I don't think it's a frame mode of any kind.

August 23rd, 2006, 01:40 PM	#4
Peter Macletis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY Posts: 54	OK, you might be right, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. It looks to me exactely the type of shutter effect I got on the XL-1, but I may be mistaken.

August 23rd, 2006, 06:26 PM	#5
Tony Tibbetts Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 385	Hey, I hope there is a frame/cinema mode in this camera. I think that there is at the very least a 50/50 chance it will. It's direct competition is the Sony HC3 and it has the Cineframe mode re-badged as cinema mode. So cross your fingers. I just rewatched that footage, and I have to say some of the shallow DOF shots look really good.

August 23rd, 2006, 09:28 PM	#8
Bill Taka Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 82	Hey Chris, Have you mentioned the HV10 doesn't have Frame Mode yet?

September 3rd, 2006, 01:33 AM	#12
Peter Macletis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY Posts: 54	With the lack of 24F shooting mode as a given (unfortunately) would anyone here venture to guess how the HV10's footage may look like when processed by 24p conversion software like DVFilm's 24p Maker, or 24p conversion suites like FilmFX or Magic Bullet?

September 4th, 2006, 06:50 PM	#13
Peter Macletis Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NY Posts: 54	Color and Gamma Corrected 24p converted samples... Color and Gamma Corrected sample footage converted to 24p via TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress Pro for Windows can be downloaded from HERE. This is a WMV-HD file (format from which I got the best conversion results). On a Core Duo 2.8GHz CPU this took about 32 minutes which is very slow but the results are worth any wait. Now more than ever, the HV10 is for me positively worth the camera's tag price (despite the hours of computing convertion times needed for film-like results).

September 11th, 2006, 06:44 AM	#14
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	you can finally shoot family memories in HD at an affordable price and very high quality than SD! and it's got frame mode 24F! i kid... i kid. ducking to avoid crossfires. __________________ bow wow wow

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