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Agree, it would likely be more than a firmware upgrade. I was pointing out that Canon's actions makes good business sense, given the slow nature of the NLE companies. Currently I believe only Vegas recently added the use embedded HDV pulldown flags, so it is no surprise the HV20 was released without them.
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I would agree a native 24/25p stream would be most optimal. :) Talk about hassle and trouble free.
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Canon could simply provide a capture utility for the 24p cam or at least a media player. This would eliminate firmware changes for us, consumers.
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25p into a 50i stream, is almost the same as 25p into a 25p stream. The only thing that could change, is maybe the mpeg2 codec optimzation... but still, the results are going to be the same.
But I agree: in NTSC land, it's a HUGE diference. |
emailed canon and Nick answered:
"I'm sorry that you're having problems with the 24p pulldown. We've been made aware of the issue, and I've forwarded the concerns about the pulldown to our development team. We'll look into the matter to see what we can do to help. In the meantime, you might also contact the company who makes your video editing program to see if they have any suggestions. While trying to learn more about the issues that people are having with 24p footage the HV20, I came across a discussion happening on dvinfo.net. While we can't verify the information there, I personally found the discussion interesting, and it might be useful for you to get a sense of how others are handling the problems they're running into: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=92629" A firmware update would be really nice. |
An alternate route that we might want to pursue is to contact each of the NLE makers and make a request for them to allow processing 24p footage without markers by evaluating the individual frames (similar to cineform). I think it would likely take them a while to come up with something functional (if they were even interested in doing so).
It is one additional avenue the should likely be pursued in addition to the requests being made to Canon to include the flags. -Steve |
Good work, gents! You'd think if the JES De-Interlacer can detect the frames, Apple, Adobe et al could find something to help us...and we'd really appreciate!
best, elmer |
if i buy neo hdv will NEO HDV do the pull down for 24p on the HV20 just fine ????? sony vegas 6 user here
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Anyone coming up with anything new ?
I see that Cineform is offering free upgrade to Neo HDV from HD Connect if it was purchased after February 2007. I purchased HDConnect from BH for 189.00 recently and will be requesting the NEO HDV upgrade. Anybody gone through that already ? |
David Newman, thanks for chiming in. Your post was helpful to the community and, not because of any advertising by you, I'll be buying your product because it functions as advertised.
IMHO (JD-biased as it is), Canon's advertising is at the very least a bit misleading in omitting that you cannot edit 24 frames representing a second of footage, you must edit a larger number and that introduces other issues. |
Any update on this?
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