Yeah, but now the XA10 is on the near horizon things have become more difficult - choice is a good thing thought! (see the thread I've just started comparing XF100 to XA10)

At least ProAV have fixed their price now!

Mind you, every single item in their store is in stock, available for 2-3 days delivery. Either it's a very big stock room, or the stock level listed is just a guess.

Test XF100
 

Not a new test (2 month ago), but apparently the only one for the moment...

4 parts:
- test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-1
- test-canon-xf100-fonctionnalites-2
- test-canon-xf100-sensibilite-vs-z5-ex1-550d
- test-canon-xf100-conclusion

I think they have it under priced!

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

XF100 in stock
 

On the Creative Video Products website the XF100 is listed as "in stock on 14/02/2011" Price £2,638.80 inc. VAT

Creative Video - Canon XF100 (XF-100) Professional Camcorder - MPEG-2 Full HD recording codec, 50Mbps, 4:2:2 Infrared mode and 3D Shooting Assist functions

The XF105 ships within a week Price £3,570.00 inc. VAT

http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/index...ct/canon_xf105

Xf100 eta
 

XF100 will arrive at retailers in Denmark 10/02/2011
Price in Danish currency DKK 20.995 ex. VAT (moms)

so do you guys think that the XF100 and 105 will set the new standard for compact HD professional camcorders?

will it be the JVC HM 100 killer?

what's the difference between the 100 and the 105?

Based upon my never even seeing either of these cameras but relying on the published specs, IMHO, yes, the XF100/105 will set the standard for compact camcorders - for now. You gotta love the broadcast codec, the full raster chip (even if it is only one), the cool IR mode. Comparisons already done between the XF100 and its competition has the XF clearly the winner.

The 105 has HD/SDI, time code and genlock ports, the 100 doesn't.

if that's the case I would surely go for the 100 as I don't need any of these : )

let's see how the single chip performs in low light.... the only video I've seen wasn't really enough to judge

".....Not shipping until early Feb 2011 due to Production delay...."

I'm very keen on this camera, but having had a word with a pal in the BBC's DV Solutions department this morrning, he seemed to think that in spite of the broadcast-quality codec, the single 1/3 chip will fail the BBC's compliance guidelines. I'm still waiting to see some footage shot with this camera (apart from the French shots from Lyon) before I make up my mind. My pal might be proved wrong - I certainly hope so anyway...

This would not surprise me at all. The XF305 was fine with the BBC, but a single 1/3" chip? Hmmm...

BTW, could you ask your friend how they're liking the 305s? I'm curious about them, and there are none nearby.

Glen,
I'll certainly ask tomorrow.

I don't think he will be proved wrong..... the BBC is basing it's guidelines on ones accepted by a lot of other people, including the EBU, and the codec is only one aspect. Front end performance is just as important, if not more so. Even the XF305 only just scrapes in because of the 1/3" chips, and I believe Canon have had to pull off some clever tricks with their lens to compensate for that. But quite a lot more is specified for compliance apart from chip physical size, most obviously 1920x1080 pixels per chip in a 3 chip camera.

The XF100s only have a single 1920x1080 sensor in a Bayer pattern, hence the end result will be well down on what you'd expect from 3 such sensors in a 3 chip camera, and hence it's unlikely to get the same level of full approval.

It's going to be more complicated as time goes on to specify guidelines simply. At the moment " 1/2" or bigger " is quite simple. With DSLRs, the AF101, and the F3, they are all obviously far bigger sensors than even 1/2" - but certainly DSLRs don't meet the guidelines by a big way. We'll have to wait and see what's made of the other cameras.

Here's a XF105 Video - a rare thing at the moment! Disappointing in that there is not much actual footage, mainly just a feature run down - but I'll post it anyway as parts are worth viewing.

YouTube - Canon XF100 & XF105 Hands-On With Sample Footage

what I don't understand, but let's first see it in action, is why Canon decided to launch a camcorder packed with such a nice back-end and functions, and then go for a one 2M pixel 1/3 inch sensor??

it seems like a weird decision anyway...